S4:E9 - Grow Lights, Punk Rock, & Award Winning Flower | Ghost Face Gorilla on Vinally High

On this episode of Vinally High, Drew Beats and BJ Buds sit down with a very special guest who’s been powering the flower all season long—award-winning cultivator Geoff, the man behind Ghost Face Gorilla Grow. Fresh off winning Best Flower at the 2025 Crown Town Cannabis Cup, Jeff finally joins the show to share the story behind his craft, his journey through the cannabis industry, and what it really takes to grow top-tier product. 

The conversation dives deep into the science, art, and dedication behind cannabis cultivation. Geoff explains how what many people think is a laid-back job is actually a highly technical process involving controlled environments, pest prevention, sanitation practices, and constant monitoring of temperature, humidity, and lighting cycles. From multiple grow rooms for different plant stages to dialing in the perfect conditions, cultivating premium flower is a full-time labor of love. 

Geoff also shares how his journey began 15 years ago as a family effort, originally growing cannabis to help supply medical needs for his mother during the early days of the medical cannabis movement. What started in a basement eventually evolved into a professional cultivation operation built on passion, knowledge, and years of learning the hard way. 

Of course, it wouldn’t be a Vinally High episode without spinning a record. This week’s vinyl pick is Stay Asleep by Bigwig (1999)—a skate-punk classic that sparks a nostalgic conversation about the underground punk scenes of Florida, New York, and North Carolina. The crew reflects on discovering music in the pre-streaming era, local shows in unexpected venues, and the tight-knit community that defined punk culture.

Along the way, the episode explores:

•  The realities of modern cannabis cultivation vs. common misconceptions 
•  Why clean growing practices and transparency matter for consumers 
•  The balance between art and science in producing high-quality flower 
•  The role of craft growers in shaping the future of the industry 
•  Punk rock nostalgia and the music that shaped a generation 

Plus, listeners can participate in this episode’s trivia challenge for a chance to win a complimentary promotional pre-roll courtesy of Ghostface Gorilla Grow.

Roll something up, drop the needle, and join the conversation as we celebrate great music, great flower, and the passionate people behind both.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_07 0:00

This episode of the Vinally High Podcast is brought to you by Ghostface Gorilla Grow, the master grower behind some of the finest premium THC flour in the game.

SPEAKER_00 0:11

Welcome to Vinally High, the podcast that celebrates two of life's greatest pleasures. Vinyl records and CBD products. We'll take you on a journey through our vast vinyl collections, exploring the significance of music in our lives, while also enjoying the therapeutic benefits of CBD. Each episode, we'll spend some of our favorite records, ranging from classic rock to indie, and everything in between. And share our personal stories and insights about why these albums are so meaningful to us. But Violet High isn't just about music, but we'll also delve into the world of CBD that's got to get many benefits and how it can enhance our listening experience. From tinctures to edibles to topicals, for different products and share our experiences to eat. Sit back, relax, enjoy it until we get finally hot.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

Man, we're throwing out angles diagonal across, man, using big words. What's going on here? What's up, brother? How you doing?

SPEAKER_07 1:43

Man, I'm good. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Good season so far, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:47

It's been a great season.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

Yes, it has. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:49

And we have the guest of all guests here tonight.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

The cultivator.

SPEAKER_07 1:55

So we're going to get right into it. Because joining us tonight, if you guys have been following along with this season already, you've heard the commercials every other episode. You've if you're on Instagram, you've seen us blowing this up in every way possible. We are joined tonight by award-winning.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Say it again.

SPEAKER_07 2:12

Award-winning grower and master cultivator. I'm going to call you master cultivator. I know you don't put that in your own title, but I'm throwing it in. I was gonna say winner of the winner of the 2025 Crown Town Cannabis Cup for Best Flower. We're joined tonight officially and finally by the Ghost Face Gorilla. AKA Jeff. How are you doing tonight, man?

unknown 2:39

I'm good. I'm good. I'm happy that y'all have it.

SPEAKER_07 2:41

Yeah, thanks for joining us. It's been a long process, and you picked one of the uh ending dates of the season. So I've I feel like I've been waiting forever since we connected to you actually finally being here on the show.

SPEAKER_06 2:55

I had to get out of wrestling season.

SPEAKER_07 2:58

Yeah, little known fact. We uh we found out Jeff does jujitsu jujitsu. Yeah, a little bit let me say that again. Jiu Jitsu.

SPEAKER_06 3:08

That's it, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:10

And uh you've been doing that for 15 years, you said, man.

SPEAKER_06 3:12

Jeez, we got the silver medal from Worlds.

SPEAKER_07 3:14

Wow. Wow, okay, so not messing with you at all. But this is gonna be a fun episode. I mean, we love your product, we've been talking about your product, so it's I think it's good for everyone to finally put a face to the gorilla and uh and hear all about your story and listen to some great music.

SPEAKER_03 3:34

For sure.

SPEAKER_07 3:35

I've got some time to kill because as we were saying off air, you you picked kind of a short album, and uh being that it's only a third of what the length of our episodes typically are, we're gonna have to waste some time talking. But how I I gotta ask you up front, how did it feel actually getting that uh that wrestling style championship belt at the the cannabis cup?

SPEAKER_06 3:59

Um it it was definitely uh it was validating, if nothing else. You know what I mean? So I've gone through some changes since I entered the cannabis industry, some partnerships that didn't work out, and uh kind of brain stuff on my own, and there's always some fear that comes along with that. And yeah, winning was definitely very valid. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 4:20

I don't remember if I asked you this before, but what strain was it that you won with?

SPEAKER_06 4:24

It was great guess. Okay, and uh yeah. Funny story, right? Like I found out about it kind of like last minute and was like, I'm not gonna enter. And then a couple of friends of mine encouraged me to enter.

SPEAKER_07 4:39

And I was good friends, yeah. Which is how all great suggestions come to be.

SPEAKER_06 4:44

It's completely out of product.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

Oh no.

SPEAKER_06 4:46

So I actually had to go back to a customer customer of mine and purchase product back to enter into the cannabis cup.

SPEAKER_07 4:57

So now knowing that it actually won, what is the price tag on buying that Mac from a friend? Did they come back and like give you more shit? Like, I think I let it go for a little low. You won, so I'm gonna need I'm gonna need some more. He did not mark it up.

SPEAKER_06 5:11

I'm not gonna expose the price that he paid or I paid, but he was kind enough not to mark it back up when he when he sold it back to basically.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Okay, that's really cool. Are you telling me that folks got beat with like remigged weed? Is that what just happened? Basically, yeah, my friends kind of joke about it.

SPEAKER_06 5:28

Like, we didn't even prepare time.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Wait till he actually prepares that it's gonna be fired.

SPEAKER_07 5:35

That really makes the story so much better. You had nothing and still one.

SPEAKER_06 5:39

We laughed about it for a while.

SPEAKER_07 5:41

That's great, man. I mean, at this point, we've had uh quite a few of your your strains and they do not disappoint. Not at all.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

So, I mean, keep doing what you're doing, and you know, our our guests were how what are we gonna do this time? Are we gonna give because we we give our guests?

SPEAKER_07 5:59

Yeah, we're gonna give you a free roll of your own stuff as a as a thank you for joining the show. I'll smoke it.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

They're like, Well, uh, a lot of our folks are like, Yeah, you know, maybe I'm gonna give it to the husband or whatnot, and then they both try, and they're like, Oh, this is amazing, dude. So that's great. I love it for sure. I always love getting it.

SPEAKER_07 6:18

I actually I so you you brought some more stuff for us. So I'm gonna publicly thank you on the air for that because I was not expecting it. But this is your new jar in branding.

SPEAKER_06 6:29

And not released at all. This is literally the first time it's been seen by anyone that's not in-house. Um, nobody has um the product yet, hasn't seen the jars, the stickers, nothing. This is we finished them up this morning. Finished trimming the product yesterday. Did it just for you guys?

SPEAKER_07 6:47

And we're gonna dive into a lot of that um as we get further into the show because it's such a process um from start to finish that I knew some but didn't fully realize everything. And then you gave us the opportunity at back in the the last quarter of last year to actually come tour your facility, which was amazing for an experience. And that was the first time we we kind of met face to face.

SPEAKER_06 7:14

And so we posted that video if people want to go back and kind of look at our highlight of it, but yeah, I mean, the depth of what you guys do there to bring this product to everybody is just I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions of what I do is a lot of people until they see it and experience it, they kind of just think that we just kind of smoke weed all day. You got a flower pot in the window, so um we're just having fun and partying, but it is definitely a job like any other, and we work hard. Um we don't even honestly we don't really smoke over you know, because we have jobs and like any other job that you want to be on you want to be on your game.

SPEAKER_07 7:57

Oh I mean it's scientific, and I mean you're you're right. I mean, you have everything, not everything, maybe everything, linked to apps on your phone. I mean, like there was what like seven or eight different rooms like throughout the whole process on each stage. I mean, it was bigger than I would have expected to witness for the first time. Like I like I said, I probably know a little bit more than some other people, but I think I still fall into that same misconception of just like not realizing the full depth of the process to that to that level and that extent. Like you're not just growing a plant for yourself, like you have a whole you have a whole facility.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

Everything was uh I I mean, I don't know, I didn't know what to expect. I knew it was gonna be fun, but it was organized, it was clean. Um everything uh as we started rolling, I each room that I moved to next, I was like, oh, it's gonna be even more organized than the last one. Going from like the baby buds to as it's growing, and then the then just like the huge massive plants. I was like, dude, this is like we I thought you were just gonna be smoking around and jumping around. And I'm like, no, this is fucking like legit cleaner than most food facilities that I've been in. Most kitchens that I you know that I've seen. What kitchens are you going to? Bro, I grew up in Charlotte, so everybody worked at McDonald's or Rogue Dangers or someplace, you know. But no, it was it was and then when after that, after we toured that facility, I was I was on my way to uh I don't know, I think it was New York or something for yeah, you were you're flying out for a game. Literally flew out, yes, sir, right after you you showed us the facilities, and I was like, holy shit, I actually feel comfortable now knowing that that my weed is in someone's hands like yours. I feel super comfortable now.

SPEAKER_07 9:58

It it actually it's true, and to to know and put face to face and meet the person that's growing actually goes a long way, in my opinion. And we have some people locally that it's just good to know we're smoking local, right?

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Like yeah, I'm all about that.

SPEAKER_07 10:14

We know what you're doing, we've seen what you're doing. I'm not gonna give away all the magic, but like it's nice to know instead of just randomly buying something from wherever. Yeah, even though we all did that back in the day and had no common sense because that was the only way to get it. We we joked about this at one point. It's just like, you know, you go in the back alley and you you you give a guy a$20 bill and you get a little ziploc and you go home and hope for the best.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Weird, uh weirdly and scare scarily enough, um, there there have been, oh gosh, a lot of people out in all sorts of things in our in our world over the last year or two. But one of the scariest stories that I heard was about um illegal growing facilities up north, um, run by like uh folks that aren't even from this country. Yeah, stuff like that. And you know, uh that's one of the things like behind I heard the story, I listened to it, and then I compartmentalized it. And then um hearing some of the crazy things that they do to it, like uh putting all sorts of stuff inside of the soil so that they can grow it faster and and shit like that, and then folks uh you know part participating in the recreational use and potentially dying because they're they've been poisoned and stuff like that. And so that's why I'm that's why I felt so relieved seeing how you were doing everything, um, hearing about your plans, hearing about your sanitation like routines that you do. Uh it was so weird to hear that like like the buds sometimes will get infected or poisoned, uh not affected, uh not poisoned, but like infected, just like uh if you leave tomatoes out and don't protect them, you know, stuff can happen to us. So how you protect against all that.

SPEAKER_06 12:04

Cleanliness is one of the most important things in any cannon to protect against blood pressure, pathogen pressure, you know, things that can certainly uh ruin a crop. And yeah, like human beings in general do all sorts of crazy things for money. So a lot of people spray all sorts of hazardous chemicals or stuff that is not approved for congestion, stuff that's only for ornamental type plants, stuff that's not meant to be that we don't even know what happens when it's combusted. Like, not only is it not intended for you to eat, but there's not even studies on what happens when it's combusted. So yeah, I mean it's it's it's tough. Yeah, a lot of like to your point, a lot of people are putting growth regulators in the soil to affect density and stuff like that. And you know, according to California, a lot of that stuff causes cancer. So yeah, cannabis. Every industry has its bad actors, and cannabis. The cannabis industry is certainly no exception, and sometimes I'm convinced maybe one of the worst for bad actors.

SPEAKER_07 13:13

I mean, like anything else, yeah, there's always gonna be people trying to cut those corners and do it that way. But that's why I'm glad we met you. Because now I can say for sure we're safe. And we've been, you know, we've been giving all of our guests a complimentary pre-roll. Um, we're doing the giveaways where we're we'll send, you know, each episode somebody will win another one. Um that's not hasn't been a guest on the show. And so now you guys know you're you're meeting the man that is is providing that complimentary promotional item, and he says it's clean and it's safe. So you gotta trust us because we're vitally high.

SPEAKER_06 13:52

We use organic uh organic sprays, uh, we don't spray any flour. Um, you know, we try to keep our product as clean as as possible. We don't uh, you know, no mold, no, no pest pressure, keep all that stuff out. We have, you know, air aerosystem that keeps the air clean, you know, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_07 14:13

It was it was really eye-opening and interesting to to actually tour and hear you explain everything step by step. So we will again get into all that as we continue the conversation because there's just a lot going on in it's inside your facility and and the technology and the sophistication and the science. And we're not science people, but I love hearing people talk about it that know what the fuck they're actually talking about. You've been in the game long enough, you know what you're talking about. 15 years is a long time. Um, but let's get the record spinning first. And BJ, I've been looking forward to this one. Oh Lord. So so, Jeff, you picked um a record that I'm so glad you picked because as we were talking before again off air, like we do every episode and we joke about it once we're on air, that we wasted all of our good conversation off camera. No one's gonna pick this record. Not I can't say no one, but the odds are slim because it's if you're not in that scene at that time, you probably have never heard of this band. So you picked Big Wig Stay Asleep, which is a pop punk record, skate punk record. It came out in 1999. Um, and I found them early, early on when I was just starting to get into that music too. So we kind of connected over that. We'll tell that story. But what we do when we start the record before we turn it on, when we used to be an audio-only show, um, again, now we're adding video for the first time so people can see it. But before that, we would have BJ describe what the album art looked like in case it was an album people weren't familiar with. And then we would run that description through AI. I would just type it into an AI generator and see what it created as the image based off of his words. Um and we turned it into like a fun game where we would post, we'll post a picture when the episode airs, see if people can guess what it is. It's been more interesting this year to see the advancements in AI compared to some previous seasons. Um, and plus he's getting better at describing things. The fun part with this one is when you turn that around and you see what you're describing. Oh man. I'm just gonna put I'm just gonna leave it at that. Uh so it's pretty generic. That's why. It's probably gonna be a lot harder than anything you've ever done because there's nothing on it. Challenge accepted.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

Let's go.

SPEAKER_07 16:29

So I'm gonna I'm gonna get up and go ahead and turn that on, and you're gonna do your thing.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

Oh man, that's done. All right, so it looks like I'm looking at uh a completely black cover with it looks like a puck with a like a mischievous smile on his face. Like he just like farted in somebody's cereal or something. And he's like, he's looking and he's waiting for somebody to take that first scoop with the smooth, and like, ha I got him, I got him. I can't wait to see what that face looks like when he bites into that cereal. Um, and then uh it's uh it looks ecstatic because it's got a couple like exclamation points coming out of the face or whatnot. Um and uh a couple a little bit of writing on there, but but that's what I got, man. That's what I got. You didn't make it hard on me. That one that was a little tough.

SPEAKER_07 17:34

That might be the worst one in the sun.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

That's a son.

SPEAKER_07 17:38

It's supposed to be a son, I'm pretty sure. No, but I knew you weren't gonna say that. I knew you wouldn't go that easy. I actually can't wait to see what this generates. I'm gonna tell one quick story because it just happened the last episode we did. And I was texting BJ about it the other day, um, going through all my editing. So we had listened to what were we listening to? Oh, we were listening to a Foxy Brown album.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 18:07

And BJ broke my AI. It told me his description was too sexual and it violated its policies and it wouldn't generate the image.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

I can only imagine. After hearing that description, I can only imagine it's as I was saying it last week.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

I was like, I don't think I would ever want my daughter to hear what I'm doing on the phone right now. This is probably gonna mess up the AI. He's about to get banned off of this AI.

SPEAKER_07 18:34

No, no, the fun part is we got to have a back and forth conversation, me and Chat GPT, because I ask it questions like, well, why? Or what can I do differently? Or why is your mind in the gutter so bad when he really didn't say anything that overly sexual?

SPEAKER_02 18:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 18:49

So that's always fun. If you've never had an argument with an AI bot, do it.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

You're not leaving me in.

SPEAKER_07 18:56

I've not had the function. So before we get back into the science and educational portion of the show, let's talk about music. We first connected when I didn't even realize I was connecting with you. Because as you had mentioned earlier, you've been a part of some other projects and some other teams here and there. And you were helping. Um, I don't know if you're fully running or you just had access to be on the Instagram page for one of the projects you were with.

SPEAKER_03 19:27

I was fully running at the time.

SPEAKER_07 19:29

And I and so I didn't know that. I, you know, I thought it was the face of the company or somebody else I never met. But every time I would post a story of a record I was spitting that fell into like my old school punk rock days, that account would always comment and message us about how awesome that album was. And I'm like, man, somebody really gets my face. And I never knew who it was. And then fast forward till you are where you are now, and and we connected on Instagram, and you're like, hey, you know, I used to run that page for that other company, and I commented on a lot of your records before, and I was like, no shit, that was you.

SPEAKER_06 20:07

I think the first record I saw you post was like a Pennywise record, and they're like, I think Pennywise is probably the first punk rock band I listened to. That purple album is probably the record that got me into punk rock, and like yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

I think I gotta pretty much fancy.

SPEAKER_07 20:23

Oh, nice. I honestly think Brohim was probably the first Pennywise song I really heard. Um as sad as it is, but I was like, wow, this is such a great fucking song. I gotta find out more about this.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

Oh, really? It wasn't for Jason Nike Coast. I don't think we heard that some of his friends, and then they redid it on the black albums. Gotcha Nike Coast.

SPEAKER_07 20:46

Yeah, I I knew it'd been on a couple different albums, so I don't remember which version I actually heard first. But either way, it's such a great song. I was like, I gotta know more about these guys and find more of their music. And that was the fun part about that time period. It was finding music. I still love finding music now, but there was a there was just something about listening to your friends, asking who's listening to what, going and hanging out at the mall and just scanning those CDs to get get your snippets to be like that sounds really good. And you had to take that risk. Do I pay$13.99 for an album that I only heard 25 seconds ago and hope that the pre-program they put on it is not just the one good hit on the entire CD and it's all gonna be good or what?

SPEAKER_03 21:32

Yeah, or going to those little dingy clubs and bars or like wherever they could rent out a space for playing a concert that we could.

SPEAKER_07 21:41

I love it. And I grew up um in upstate New York in a town where there was not much to do at all, which is probably one of the biggest reasons I got into the punk rock scene. Because we didn't have major concerts, we didn't have major venues, nobody came to our town for anything. So it was all the local people just playing local shit. At those same dive bars or one room basements. And this album makes me feel like I am back at that stage of my life a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 22:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:13

And so you you grew up in Florida. So talk to me about that because the scene was different at that time in that state versus where we were. Because BJ grew up here in Charlotte. And so even that's different.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

Yeah, uh I mean when I grew to Florida, and I'm not, you know, I haven't been in Florida other than the you know the vacation in what 25 years, I guess. Um but huge pumpkin heart for things when I was kids.

SPEAKER_06 22:40

Uh like yeah, and then seeing like No Dow and Supply before they were anybody in uh less than Justin Gasmill, Florida, Eastern Florida, right?

SPEAKER_03 22:53

I remember seeing yellow cards when they were like, I mean, and I was in I was in middle school, I think. They were in high school and middle school.

SPEAKER_07 23:00

I'll say probably when it was like paper cut or whatever that that what was that? Oh no, the under dogs did in the classroom or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 23:09

Yeah, like I was it was this place called the Lions Club, and it was actually a dance studio.

SPEAKER_06 23:15

Like the local punk rock kids will just run out just to play music, and uh yeah, like it couldn't fit more than 50 people in it. And that's the first time I thought helicopters like that's still like the electric violin and everything, but like that's the best way.

SPEAKER_07 23:31

Um that's the thing I I didn't realize being that age myself until watching old videos. Now I was telling you the other night, I just kind of went down on a deep dive of old performance videos from those bands, and you're like, these kids were 16, 17. They were kids, they were kids, but they were they were making it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

And they did.

SPEAKER_07 23:52

I mean, as much as you could say an underground band in a scene that no one listened to made it, but we knew them, like we felt like they were making it.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

And it was cool to yellow cards, that's a big one.

SPEAKER_07 24:03

It was cool to see those bands and then see them get big. Yeah. I wish I could say I had that same experience with a band or two, but we didn't get we like I said, we didn't get a lot of even bands that eventually made it big, like people went to Binghamton, New York and just died. But there was one band called Autopilot All. I don't know if you ever heard of them. They played a show one time before they got signed to Island in like an old abandoned Chinese um buffet. Probably one of the best shows I've ever been to.

SPEAKER_05 24:41

It's some of the funest times in my life.

SPEAKER_07 24:43

I was like, what a creative way to rent a space. And it was still set like it still had the buffet in it. Like all the pictures were still there. It was just like no one had rented it out. So someone asked, Hey, can we do a show here? But that's that's the creativity that punk rock has.

SPEAKER_06 25:00

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_07 25:01

Yeah, you'll find a spot anywhere on play a show.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

One of my favorite things about punk rock is the the interaction with the crowd, the the getting on the stage and and then getting going off the stage, or sometimes throwing yourself onto the stage. That's that's always the awesome part that I like about.

SPEAKER_06 25:16

I feel like most punk rock bands, hardcore bands, like they grew up in that scene too. Yeah. And so they like they're just giving back like all the things that they love doing when they were kids going to shows. They're like, I love getting up on stage, I love crowd surfing, I want to bring everybody else. I want everybody, it is a very uh intimate scene where everybody, you know, you're sweating on each other, you're bombing into each other, you're getting up on stage, everybody.

SPEAKER_07 25:43

Not necessarily, and that's one of the things I'll always compliment about punk rock too, versus hardcore metal or other things. Like the moshing was so much different where you you really looked out for each other, and like you would apologize if you accidentally touch somebody, and then you you know, you go to nothing against the other stuff because I love hardcore metal too. But like it's a little bit more violent.

SPEAKER_06 26:04

It's a little bit there's something like people kind of look out for each other, but uh a certain amount of violence is expected and uh appreciated almost.

SPEAKER_07 26:13

Certain people go there wanting the violence, whereas at a punk show, you're just like I'm here to have a good time and bounce off you a little bit and crowd surf, and that's it.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

I mean, everyone I've ever been in, you get knocked out, they do help your bathtub once they knock your ass out, you know, and then they just keep on going.

SPEAKER_07 26:33

I miss it. I miss it. I got hurt too many times, bro.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

My my old when Metallica came to Charlotte, they had a moss pit in the middle of that motherfucker. That was fun.

SPEAKER_07 26:43

That was fun. I'm guessing you had lawn seats at Metallica.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

I was on the lawn, brother. I'm working my way around, they had like different corners, and then there was some lame corners where everybody was just bobbing their head, and then across the way we saw the toilet bowl just go. That's where I want to be.

SPEAKER_07 27:00

It's called a circle pit. Nobody, nobody has ever called it a toilet bowl.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

I said, I want to go to the toilet bowl.

SPEAKER_07 27:09

Listen, could you imagine if that's what they did call it though?

SPEAKER_02 27:14

Maybe I just started something I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 27:16

Now, does that mean in in other parts of the world? Like, if we went to Australia, you'd have to toilet bowl the opposite direction. Like, are there laws governing this?

SPEAKER_02 27:26

I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_07 27:27

I guess this is why I love doing this show. We haven't even I haven't even cracked open the lift yet. I did technically smell it. Okay. I have to always smell it. It's one of my favorite things, honestly. When you open a fresh canister and just smell a good quality flower, I'm gonna say that a good quality flower, because we've all smelled some in our day where you were like, did I run this over first?

SPEAKER_02 27:58

Or I need to smoke someone.

SPEAKER_07 28:04

Is that the dead skunk on the side of the road still, or is this my weed? Yeah, it's gonna be fun. One of the things I did want to ask you, even back when we toured the facility, and I didn't get a chance, was because you you've been growing a long time. You've been at it since that stage of you know, the sketchy the sketchy side of it. Um so tell us just tell us your story. Like, how did that all come to be, and then how did it progress?

SPEAKER_05 28:34

Um I originally started doing it, I think.

SPEAKER_06 28:40

Um my mom had lupus bones in castle license. Um but at the time she was flying to medical cannabis was legal in California. Um because my dad was in the military, it was easy for me to get a medical card and didn't have to show proof of residency if you had military ID. Yeah, military ID, but they were still having to fly back and forth to California periodically and then ship it back to themselves. And so, like, and like this was in the infancy of yeah, like it's not like it is now where it's I know it's not perfectly legal uh across the country, but nobody really cares that much anymore, you know. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 29:23

This was still this was still during the war on that that terrible gateway drug.

SPEAKER_06 29:29

So 15 years ago it was still kind of a big deal, and they were having to you know chip it back and forth, and so really me and my dad just started in in their basement to really just supply my mom for the most part.

SPEAKER_05 29:43

That's kind of how it started. And um so it was a family business, it was. Um, and I just kind of found that I really enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_07 29:52

Yeah, um it was uh now. Had you been a consumer yourself at that point?

SPEAKER_06 29:58

Yeah, since I was, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_07 30:00

Yeah, yeah. So it didn't take a lot to twist your arm to say we're gonna learn how to grow it.

SPEAKER_06 30:06

Yeah, for sure. It didn't take a lot, uh didn't take a lot of convincing, no. Um, but it was definitely I I found out real quick that I had a passion for it. Didn't realize I had. Um, and just uh just the process, man, and the the art of it. And then it's a science, like you said, yeah, but it's very much a combination of art and scientists. It's both. I think every cultivator puts a little bit of them, not just me, but everybody. I think they all put a little bit of themselves into it. So you can see it in people's finished product. Everybody's finished product tends to have a if you look close enough and you look at enough samples, you can see that like you know, it it all kind of has a similar style, similar look to it, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 30:49

So it's not so without giving away trade secrets, like there's like a signature in a sense that you put on stuff because it's your stuff. So and so if you know what to look for, somebody could spot.

SPEAKER_06 31:03

I'm not gonna say they could necessarily spot it, but I do think it it stands out, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 31:09

And if if you are versed enough, you probably could start to recognize, like, okay, I feel like I'm gonna be calling me this.

SPEAKER_07 31:14

That's my new goal in life. I want to smoke so much of your stuff that you could throw three samples in front of my face and play the cup game, and I'll be like, that one's Jeff's.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Yeah, that's my goal to hold it, that's for people to be able to.

SPEAKER_07 31:30

I mean, right now, everything I have is yours anyway, so it's really not a hard guessing game, but all three samples are none. Yeah. We started with six, and well, we're kind of through that.

SPEAKER_06 31:46

Well, that's why I brought you a breakfast.

SPEAKER_07 31:48

And I always appreciate that. This is why we have been touting you all season long. Not the only reason. Not the only reason, but one of the reasons. Your stuff's good. I'm not gonna lie. It's good and it's award-winning, so you can bag it up.

SPEAKER_05 32:06

Indeed.

SPEAKER_07 32:07

Now, if they do that again, are you gonna continue to enter and and try to carry the reign of the title?

SPEAKER_06 32:14

I think I have to, right? Like I think I kind of have to, and like I'm a tamp until I'm not the champ, sort of thing. So I think I kinda have to, but I'd like to do some other things like and uh you know, Charlotte Cannabis Pump is certainly an achievement in the war, but there's I feel like bigger ones out there. Oh, yeah. In the not too distant future, I'd like to at least see where I stand with other cultivators in the in the country. And like I I don't think I'm the best cultivator in the country or anything like that. There's a lot of cultivators I look up to.

SPEAKER_04 32:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 32:47

There's a lot I looked up to, a lot I even talk to on Instagram or ask for advice or stuff like that. But I'd like to see just where I where I measure off. You know what I mean? Like where do I stand? Uh I get a lot of good feedback, but um sometimes you can get too comfortable and you almost live in a bubble or yeah.

SPEAKER_07 33:04

Well, your sampling is also limited here because until you are working on getting a website up and running, um, so that you can you can ship and everything, but I gotta imagine most of your sales are more predominantly this area, yeah. Versus if you were to expand and and go to another competition and get in front of other people, you know, that's a whole whole sample size you haven't experienced yet.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

But I'm interested. Um, you said if you reach out to other other cultivators um for advice and stuff. How's that energy? How's that really how are those relationships?

SPEAKER_06 33:39

I would say for the most part, the good, the really good cultivators are pretty cool about it. Yeah. Like now, don't get me wrong, you're only gonna get so much information unless you pay for it, and I have paid for consults and stuff like that. Um but uh most people are pretty cool, man. Like they're not necessarily hiding the secrets anymore. It's not like it was when I started, where the information was super protected. Yeah. But now there's like just so much information available out there that you're gonna access it somehow.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 34:16

And people understand how hard it is and how much effort goes into this, man. Like the cool dudes wanna help each other. You know what I mean? And like it's all it's all reciprocal, man. And I've got on the on the opposite side of that, like I've got dudes who reach out to me, like local cultivators that I know, they're they ask me for advice, and I try to give freely back as much as I can.

SPEAKER_07 34:39

Yeah, I mean, and new consoles. At the end of the day, they're probably gonna grow it anyway. So I I mean, I think it's more beneficial to make sure we all have that quality running everybody.

SPEAKER_06 34:51

They're not, they should get a good quality safe product, and if I can be part of making sure it's a quality safe product, I'm I'm cool with that, even if it's helping my competition or whatever.

SPEAKER_07 35:04

But and I feel like I kind of got that sense a little bit too with the industry that at least on the the the smaller craft level versus you know the big conglomerates, there's doesn't seem to be all that gatekeeping. Like it is more like you were saying, people are willing to give that information, not all of it, because you're not gonna give a true magician never reveals all his secrets, but enough to help you get your product where you want it to be, which is what's important right now. Like we need safe quality products, for sure. There's there's enough of the unsafe, unquality products floating around still that plenty of that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 35:44

So when's the last time Jeff was like, oh man, I need to figure out something, and then you're like, let me go to chat GPT to figure out this thing with with weed. Have you ever done that? We always talk about AI on the show because we know it's such a big part of the.

SPEAKER_06 35:57

Because I'm old, I know I've never used chat, I've never used chat GPT. Um really? No AI? I've started to Google plenty of things like coming up. Like, and when I started, like again, man, there was like like now you can go on Instagram, you can go on YouTube, there's a thousand videos. When I I remember when I started, there was all of like three videos on none of that existed. And I watched those videos on repeat over and over. I wrote, uh, I read uh Jorge Cervantes Medical Marijuana Grow Bible a hundred times. I had it in my grove with me all the time. Anytime I had a problem, I flipped to that once in a time. Um but yeah, I mean there's still stuff that comes uh you know, certainly less often now. Um but coming up, yeah. I mean, Google Google's my best friend and always found it. There's always You'd be surprised how many problems you can run into with cannabis, the different types of pests, pathogens, and environments and light, and stress, and humidity, and shit, nutrients, and the list goes on and on about all the things you really gotta try to dial in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 37:02

And the interesting thing that I don't know you're the only facility I've ever toured, so you're my only comparison. Um, but I wasn't expecting to see all the rooms you had. Yeah. So you basically had a room for every stage of the process, starting from we just put that seed in the solo cup all the way to we're ready to cultivate, right? I mean, is that fairly standard or is that something that you have just found works the best to keep it separated from stage to stage?

SPEAKER_06 37:32

No, I mean, I think I don't I don't think I'm doing any, I'm not reinventing the wheel by any stretch of the imagination with anything I do. Um I think you know, a lot of I'm definitely not like where I want to be or like what some of these really big facilities are doing, but I definitely believe in like a workflow of like has to make sense. Yes, things have to be separated. Uh and certainly for like veg and flour, we certainly have to separate things because of the light cycle differences, right? The hormone responses we're getting from those light cycles. But yeah, man, it's just a flow workflow optimization for it.

SPEAKER_07 38:09

It made for a really fun tour, I'm not gonna lie, because it was like behind door number one, and then we would talk for like 10 minutes, and then you'd be like right this way, and it'll be behind door number two, and then we just kept going like through the whole thing until it circled all the way back around, and it was like this exciting what's gonna be in the next room.

SPEAKER_06 38:26

And it is a little bit of a maze. I will admit, is a little bit of a maze. A ton of until you like it took me a while to even find my berries. Like, which door do I go through to get the room I want to go to?

SPEAKER_07 38:37

I honestly didn't even know I was at the right place when I got there.

SPEAKER_06 38:39

It's very unusual, which I like.

SPEAKER_07 38:45

Actually, we weren't at the right place at first, and I had to call you and be like, hey, GPS took me to this place where there's a giant locked gate and a dead end, and you're like, Oh, let me come get you. You gotta just know the area and go all the way around this place.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

We I was talking to somebody and I was like, it was like watching like a little, a little beautiful child grow from room to room to room, so then it was this big child that I wanted to smoke at the air.

SPEAKER_06 39:12

They're like my children. You take care of them, it's a real intimate process, but yeah, you're there with them every day, you're taking care of them. We still hand water a lot of stuff, um, which I'm a big fan of for multiple reasons.

SPEAKER_07 39:26

And I I remember you mentioning that too, because you really believed in that, just continuing to hand water versus having everything automated because you get more control, right?

SPEAKER_06 39:37

I feel like you get more control, you get more consistency throughout the medium as far as EC and pH pockets. Um not that there's anything wrong with automation. We use some automation too, and like you kind of have to to some extent, just that's the way the industry is, and things are competitive and the pricing and all these sorts of things, but you have to you have to manage that biggest expense, which is going to be your labor. And I get it, but yeah, I mean, that's just something about hand watering that honestly, man. I think it was scalable, I'd hand water everything every day.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

Yeah. So uh my my wife, she loves flowers. Anyway, knows my my beautiful wife knows she's got flowers all over the place. And um, I used to think that she was going a little crazy, just a little bit, because I'd walk, I'd be in my room and I'd know nobody else is in the house, and I'd hear her talking to these damn plants. I heard her talking to somebody, and and it turned out she was talking to the plants.

SPEAKER_07 40:37

She just used that as a cover, BJ. She was mumbling to herself.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Am I that boring when she can't talk to me? She gotta talk to the plants, but I found out that she's just way ahead of the game. The plants respond to you talking to them. They they did test trials where they're like, yell them plants, and the plants damn damn grow. Yeah, and then they're plants that you talk to them like little babies, and you you know, treat them and care for them, and they grow um much larger and much uh more volume than than their counterparts that don't receive that same love. Um, are you talking to your to your weed plants? Are you are you whispering sweet nothing?

SPEAKER_07 41:13

I was gonna say, what kind of sweet nothings does the ghost-faced gorilla whisper?

SPEAKER_06 41:18

There are no secrets there. Like I I personally do not talk to the plants. Probably because there's people in the facility with me and they probably think I'm a nut kiss.

SPEAKER_07 41:26

I've I've met some of your employees. I feel like they would also whisper to the plants.

SPEAKER_06 41:30

That's that's probably true. They're probably more likely to talk to them. Maybe they're doing it, and that's the secret sauce. Maybe that's it. I just don't know.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

I'm gonna start the application for you. We definitely have to be your I'll be your whisperer.

SPEAKER_06 41:42

Like uh we talk, we joke around, you know, me and the other guys. So I feel like there's good vibes, and the plants probably do pick up on it. And I've read similar studies where it suggests that uh plants do respond to certain wavelengths or frequencies differently. There's some truth to it. I know that just being in the room with them or releasing CO2, and plants love CO2, so there's something to that.

SPEAKER_07 42:04

What's the soundtrack like when you guys are all working? If we're talking about vibes and and what the plants can hear, if I'm in a room by myself, I will turn on something.

SPEAKER_06 42:16

It's a plunker hardcore something. Um anywise, sticking your guns, definitely on top of the list, stuff like that. Um most of the time we'll put in headphones because the the three of us have very different tastes in music. But if I'm in a room by myself, I'll just I'll unplug the headphones and play it loud, but um yeah. The other guys are more into rap, and I I like some rap, it's just not hard to grow on.

SPEAKER_07 42:42

Yeah. All right. That was a pretty simple answer. I probably should have expected that one. But here's your homework. You're gonna start whispering to them. And the next time we talk to you, you're gonna have a whole story about what you told your plans.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Feed me, feed me, Jim.

unknown 43:01

Feed me.

SPEAKER_07 43:03

Listen, we are already kind of halfway. Um, side A's been done, and again, it's a shorter record, so we kept the conversation going. But I think now's a good time to take a quick pause for our commercial break. And then we'll flip the record and do side B and we'll just keep talking about the lovely science of what it is that you do. So if nobody can guess, please stay tuned for a word from our sponsor coming up shortly. You're tuned in to the Vinally High Podcast. And this moment right here is brought to you by Ghostface Gorilla Grow. When the night gets quiet and you're looking for that perfect premium THC flower, there's only one name to whisper Ghostface Gorilla Grow. Master cultivator and winner of the 2025 Crowntown Cannabis Cup for Best Flower. Hi, I'm Drew Beats, and Ghostface Gorilla Grow is the craft, the care, and the quality behind every smooth session. And with the official flower provider of season four of the Finally High podcast. So settle in, spark up, and elevate with the grower who keeps the nights mellow, Ghostface Gorilla Grow. Alright, now we're back. Thank you again to what sponsor did we have for this episode?

SPEAKER_03 44:34

Probably.

SPEAKER_07 44:34

Oh. Thank you to the Ghostface Gorilla. Our season four flower provider. So we mentioned this earlier, every guest we've had on the show, uh, we've given a complimentary promotional pre-roll to on your behalf. We're not going to give you one because you smoke your stuff every day. Um but the other fun thing we were able to do due to your generosity is run a contest every episode, and one lucky winner is going to win a complimentary pre-roll as well. So what we've been doing is asking a trivia question um based around either the artist or the album we're listening to. And I don't expect you to know the answer. I'll I'll honestly be surprised if you do, but you might know this one, being what I know a little bit about your your history and your music taste. But whether you get it right or wrong does not matter. We'll still give the right answer. When the episode airs during the week, we'll post the question on our social media. First person to DMS with the correct answer that you'll have to listen to the episode and find, we'll get a complimentary approval. So are you ready for your trivia question? Where did Big Wig get their name from? And I honestly had to look up what this reference even was after seeing the answer. It's a character from a movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:01

Like because they play it in unmade melodies. There's like the opening to the second song. They do they like reference it. Yeah. Right. And so I don't see.

SPEAKER_07 46:14

No, not not all. It is a rabbit character in the animated film Watership Down, which came out in the 70s and it was adapted from an even older book. Again, I had to look this up earlier today because I've never heard of it, and obviously I wasn't even alive in the 70s, but apparently it's not suitable for children. Um it's like forest fuzzy animals, but like with like real issues. Like it apparently it gets deep and it's like warning not for children.

SPEAKER_06 46:48

Oh, yeah, they're like talking about killing each other. Yeah. Yeah. It's like in the song.

SPEAKER_07 46:53

Yep. So I know I didn't know that. So I learned something new today. Apparently, they also turned it into a TV show, I want to say, in the early 2000s. So we if you were really curious, you could probably look that up.

SPEAKER_05 47:03

But I might check it out.

SPEAKER_07 47:05

There you go. Um we'll again we'll post this that week uh this episode airs, and whoever can uh can correctly guess that first through DM will win a promotional pre-roll from the Ghostface Gorilla on behalf of the Vinely High. So hope everyone enjoys that that has already gotten them, and those of you that are gonna continue to get them, you can thank this guy.

SPEAKER_06 47:27

They deserve it, they get that one.

SPEAKER_07 47:30

So with that, I'm gonna go ahead and actually start side B and we'll uh we'll jam out to that and we'll just keep the conversation rolling.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

You do like Jitsi, dude. You gotta tell me, tell me more about that.

SPEAKER_06 47:43

Jitsi was just grappling. So the punches and kids. I have done like boxing, Muay Thai, I you know, did all that stuff when I was younger. Uh as I've gotten older and my body's more you just do grappling is a little easier on the body, wrestling phased all the time, kids for the head, stuff like that. Um it's basically wrestling with like uh catch wrestling back in the day. That's basically what it is.

SPEAKER_04 48:11

It can be indigo, it's more traditional, like multiple architect uniform or no game, which is just like uh you know, grass cards and hair shorts or uh singlet, if you want, we're gonna and you you had said you've been doing that for a long time now, too.

SPEAKER_07 48:26

So how did you get started in that?

SPEAKER_06 48:28

Uh same way everybody I wanted to be an NMA fighter. Uh I wanted to be an NMA fighter. You wanted to be Tito? Yeah, oh yeah. Never looked up at guys like Tito or Tease, who's a phenomenal wrestler, uh and and maybe they can be uh yeah, Chelsea, guys like that, definitely looked up to um Tank Abbott.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

Not Tank Abbott.

SPEAKER_06 48:50

Um but yeah, man, I wanted to I wanted to be an MMA fighter and then uh kind of talking a little bit about it during the break. Uh started an electrical business and kind of got to the point where I had to choose like I want to try to be an MMA fighter, I wanna try this electrical business thing and instead you grew weed. So I ran the electrical business for a long time and ended up selling it. And then after that, I started cultivating cannabis. Or well, I started cultivating cannabis like in the basement and low scale while I was still running the electrical business. Didn't turn it into a profession until after I turned it in. I gotta solve the electrical business.

SPEAKER_07 49:34

I gotta imagine having that background in electric as an electrician, though. Tremendously tremendously helped this venture.

SPEAKER_06 49:42

Especially to keep it discreet, right? Yeah, electricity is one of the biggest needs in any cultivation facility. Um water, you can kind of bring by hand if you have to. Um HVAC, you can kind of duct from other places. You gotta figure out the electricity. You gotta be able to do that. And so, yeah, being an electrician, being able to do it myself is definitely huge.

SPEAKER_07 50:03

Yeah, because we had asked you about that during the tour, and I was like, all jokes aside, uh, your electric bill has got to be like through the roof, and you're just like, we're not gonna talk about that. It's uh it's more than my roof. I mean, it's running constantly.

SPEAKER_03 50:23

Nonstop all the time.

SPEAKER_07 50:24

And you have, like I said, you're old school in a way, but you also have a lot of new technology, and you were showing us in a lot of the different rooms some of the some of that system and how you can run it through apps on your phone, and you can open them be like, in this room, I need to drop the temperature here, or we're turning on you know, this part of the process.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

And I mean I think I was joking about like connecting to like, hey, go, hey Google, turn down the temperature in room three or four or something.

SPEAKER_07 50:52

You did ask him if it could be voice activated.

SPEAKER_06 50:55

The environment is probably I would argue the environment is probably the most important part of cannabis pulpitation. So, yeah, the ability to everything, all my my ACs, my my BUs, my heats, like uh humidify, like everything's hooked to an app, I can control it through my phone, I get I get alerts. I can be sitting on my couch at home with my family, and I get no, you know, something's out of whack, I get an alert. If I have parameters set, like send the alert if the temperature gets above this, it's below this, and yeah, I can make adjustments to my phone because there's a problem if it's something I can't fix my phone. I know, at least know that I need to address it if I need to address it or if it can make it in the morning or something like that. Yeah, it's a huge relief being able to do that now as opposed to like playing the guesting game.

SPEAKER_07 51:51

Like, do you go home at night in that scenario, or do you just like live at your facility?

SPEAKER_06 51:56

It was there have been times, yeah. Like early on, it was hard to leave.

SPEAKER_02 52:00

It's like you know let the ball roll for like 12 hours here.

SPEAKER_06 52:04

I've been catching in with this AC that's been giving me problems all day, and I'm about to leave it alone for 12 hours and pray that when I come in, it's still working. It's rough.

SPEAKER_02 52:13

Uh I'm okay, like food service mindset. Like, if if if we if I went home and the refrigerator cut, we would have to throw everything away. Literally, if it's out of out of refrigeration for more than four to six hours, everything's shot. No questions asked. Is there a situation like where the the temperature could get too low or too high, and then it just like scorches everything?

SPEAKER_06 52:36

Like, or it's certainly possible, I guess. I've never had that happen. It's incredibly resilient. Resilient, okay. It is a weed. So it's incredibly resilient. Not that some harm won't be done, but dead is super unlikely. Okay. Um, you know, are you gonna have some problems? Is it gonna affect quality? Is it gonna affect yields? Probably. Um, the quicker you can resolve any problem the better. But yeah, and then problems are gonna happen. Like, that's just part of cannabis cultivation that you've gotta accept and kind of just come to terms with. Is that there's no such thing as a perfect run. Something strive for it, you're trying to get as close to it as you can, but you're gonna have hiccups. And I've seen plenty of dudes like who are bigger than me and been in this game longer than me, got a much bigger name and recognition than I'll ever have, and they still have problems. Yeah, I mean, it's just the reality of it's a plan.

SPEAKER_07 53:38

I mean, it is unpredictable in a way.

SPEAKER_04 53:41

It's it doesn't care if it's Christmas, kids' birthdays, nothing there.

SPEAKER_07 53:46

Well, damn it, it should.

SPEAKER_06 53:48

I wish it did. That's the only part. The only part that uh gets to me about this about hopeful things from itself sometimes is uh it never takes a break. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 53:59

Well, we thank you for your tireless efforts and sleepless nights and being curled up on the floor next to those plants just to make sure they mature at the right levels.

SPEAKER_02 54:11

I was uh I got an 11-year-old, and I bring her up way too much on this uh on the show, but I was talking to her about the people that we uh we need to respect and honor most are farmers, people who cultivate the things that we eat, the fruits and the vegetables. And the whole time I'm talking to her about this, I'm thinking about you just making that weed in the background. I'm like the attention and the detail that they have to put in to what they do so that little thing can make it to our mouth. That that tomato can make it to our mouth, but I'm thinking about fucking uh blunt.

SPEAKER_06 54:43

I say this as a cultivator, so of course I'm biased, but I do feel like every cultivator, not just myself, but every cultivator puts a lot of themselves into cultivating cannabis. And they should get more credit than they get. I feel like a lot of the credit goes to the broker or the dispensary or the in-person that you bought it from. And there's just not enough attention given over, but just even some respect or gratitude given to the guy who is there all day, every day, really pouring himself into it. To for a and for a lot of us, for a lot of the good guys, we started way before we we took a lot of risk. Yeah, yeah. We really put a lot of things on the line to be part of this industry early on. Um but we do it because we believe in it, yeah, we love it, or everybody's got their own reasons. Some people are just gonna take the money. You know, I feel like that's a small percentage of the, especially the like the legacy guys, the guys who come from the legacy market, or you know, traditional market, black market, whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_03 55:45

Um they're doing it. Most of them are doing it for more than just money.

SPEAKER_07 55:49

Yeah. And you said something there that I kind of fall into that category of I never thought about it like that either in the in the beginning of you know, after 2018 and and diving more into it ourselves. Is that most dispensaries are not growing their own. They they purchase it from a cultivator and put their label on it, but you go to the store, you see their label, you're like, oh, that's so-and-so's product. And in a way, it is because they paid for it. But it goes beyond that. Like you said, that's why I like doing the show. That's why I like really being able to have guests on that can talk to all this stuff. But this is the guy you want to thank, right? Not to say the dispensaries aren't doing their jobs too, but you're making it. You know, let's give credit where credit is due and really give the accolades. And I was honestly, I was really proud to see that you had won that award, even though it's it's a local, it's one of the first of its kind. And now to know that you walked in there basically empty-handed and still somehow won because it was that good. I mean, that speaks volumes to what you're doing. Yeah, I'm for sure.

SPEAKER_02 56:58

It's like the storyline to the best weed movie that hasn't been made yet.

SPEAKER_07 57:04

You know, that's a quick good question. I haven't asked enough people. What's your favorite weed movie?

SPEAKER_06 57:09

Damn, we have not.

SPEAKER_07 57:11

I mean, honestly, probably half baked. No, I'm not sure. Because if you don't say half baked, I might have to escort you off the door.

SPEAKER_06 57:17

I haven't watched the teaching time movies, but I just feel like I was a kid when half baked come out, and I'd just kind of gotten into cannabis anyway, and it was just it's just a classic, and so many things that me and me and my heart's no quote, like half bake for each other.

SPEAKER_05 57:33

It's so like fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool.

SPEAKER_07 57:38

I feel like a lot of people use that and don't actually know where that came from. And then close second for me, just because of our generation coming up, is how high is a is a close number two for me because I love Matt the Man and Red Man, and that was such a hilarious movie. They're actually in talks to doing a second one, I think, soon. So we'll see how that goes. I'm not a fan of a lot of the reboots and remakes nowadays, but I mean, if you give me enough products, I'll watch it.

SPEAKER_03 58:10

I'll watch it. I just don't think anybody can beat Dave Schappel. Like Dave Stapel is one of the funniest human beings on the planet.

SPEAKER_07 58:16

And that was literally the first thing he ever did.

SPEAKER_03 58:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 58:19

You know, commercially.

SPEAKER_03 58:20

Yeah, it's so good. So good.

SPEAKER_05 58:22

Him and Jim Brewery Rolls and play like two or three different characters.

SPEAKER_07 58:29

Man, it actually came up on uh one of my memories recently. Six years ago, I saw Jim Brewer live at the at the film or if you've never had the opportunity to see him do his live stand-up act, figure out a way. Like he is hilarious, and I've always been a fan since probably that movie too of Jim Brewer, but yeah, yeah. Just the crazy, you know, crazy off the wall comedy. Yeah, it's just uh and he brings that same persona to the live act.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

He's a great impersonation, too. Yeah, PCBC and stuff.

SPEAKER_07 58:59

When he does Metallica, I didn't think of that when you talked about going to see Metallica. Um I don't know if you remember back in the day, you probably didn't watch it because you didn't have cable. For a while, MTV was doing like these icon shows where it was just like a tribute to such a whatever band because they've been in the game for so long and they're icons. And one of the first ones they did was Metallica, and Jim Brewer, I think, did the opening and went into that bit where he he does his his uh James Hetfield impersonation. And it's so spa. Yeah, it's so many, but with his crazy face doing it. Uh what else you got, BJ? I'm leaning I'm leaning on you this show to carry it.

SPEAKER_02 59:44

I know. Oh no, it's so good. I I can carry the weight. I can carry it the weight. Well, you know, we're we're finally high. We we always love to talk about um some of the political and legal things that are going on in the world at the time that we're we're filming the show. How is the realm um of the legality of marijuana in in North Carolina specifically affecting you or and your business uh at this time?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:15

Right now, I'm not really seeing too much. If anything, maybe there's a little uptick in pricing. Um I feel like there's a lot in limbo, right? Right now we're all as far as the only information we have is that come November it's dead in the water, right? For everybody. Um I've seen a lot of things change. Cannabis and politics, and they can change quickly. They can they go back and forth. Um I try not to get too caught up in it personally and coming from the traditional or legacy market.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:56

I won't say it on air, but I remember the answer you gave me when I asked you at the Grow House.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:01

I stick by that answer.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:05

I stick by that answer. Um, but yeah, man, it is uh it's nice the way we have it now. And I would hate to see it move backwards. Um I think that and I don't want to get political or anything, right? Like it's certainly not my intent, but don't think the government's job is to protect us from ourselves in the first place.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:27

Um if this is a free country, then we should be free to do what we want as individuals as long as it doesn't infringe on anybody else's freedom.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:37

Yeah. And so I just think the whole thing's ridiculous. If I'm being honest, like the fact that we're even having this conversation, um politicians are supposed to represent the people, and anytime people are polled, anytime people are asked, the majority of people are in favor of legalized cannabis, at least on a medical level.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:55

And so the fact that politicians are not on board with that, I think speaks to a bigger problem with our political system in general. They're not representing the people, yeah, they're representing lobbies, you know, representing uh large corporations, uh, whether it be the current marijuana uh industry, the the alcohol industry, whoever it may be, pharmaceutical industries. It's all about money and power, and it's a shame that the people get caught in the crosshairs or lost in the shuffle or whatever it is. I think that somebody, you know, whether it's on a federal level or a local level, you know, something needs to happen before November comes. I think it's what the I think it's what people deserve, right? Like uh people in North Carolina, you know, deserve it.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:50

It's what they want. It should be allowed, period in discussion. It should it's meant to represent as a nation, represent as appropriate argument.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:57

I hope in North Carolina sets up and and makes some changes, even as the federal ban doesn't get extended or lifted. I hope that North Carolina politicians do the right thing and serve the people. Yeah. Whether or not that'll happen, I I have no idea. I'm not an activist or anything like that. I'm not gonna not I'm gonna I'm gonna do my thing regardless.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:20

And you know, it goes back to growing up in the punk and hardcore thing, anti-establishment.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:25

It's part of the reason, you know, that that drove me the uh, you know, cannabis and punk rock to me are are different, but they're both counterculture, anti-establishment scenes, and like uh I'm gonna do I'm gonna be that punk rock kid at heart regardless of what the lawmakers decide.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:42

It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:43

I love it. And again, another another conversation we accidentally started to have off-air um in this realm. Again, again, not getting over political in this episode, but it's not a secret at this point that the reason the the hemp ban is even there is because alcohol lobbyists got got their hooks into the bill to reopen the government um during the shutdown. One, don't be sneaky, like just come on. But then we started kind of going down this path of well, why should they even give a shit? Like, on the on the small craft level, we're already seeing craft breweries around the country transition into starting to also offer you know the THC drinks at the breweries. A lot of them are making their own. If they're not making their own, they've got contracts to help can for other companies and distribute for them. Like, why is it such a big deal? We're not we're not totally trying to push alcohol out of the way, but there is a clear shift in consumption, especially with the younger generation that is now becoming those 18 to 25 year olds. Exactly. Why not flow with it? Why not make your own? Why not if you still want to do alcohol, why can't Jack Daniels just make a THC infused whiskey? Um, you know, and and then you you you kind of went down that that path of like, well, yeah, why can't Anheuser Bush just fucking man up and and and make some THC drinks too? It might taste like shit, but at least they'll be on board.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:14

It kind of blows my mind because I feel like instead of fighting against it, just get on board and yeah and make money that way. Like change and evolve as the world changes and evolves. Like, I mean, alcohol companies went through prohibition in the early 1900s, they shouldn't know the battle we're fighting better than anybody else. Like, just uh yeah, I mean, I I personally like THC infused drinks. As far as I understand, it's one of the fastest growing sectors of the cannabis industry. Like, why not tap into that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:44

I don't know. But they should. I'd like to see more of the creativity that's already happening in the beverage industry expand into some of these other areas and see what they can come up with. In Charlotte alone, we have so much ingenuity going on in the beverage department. You know, I don't know. I'm like you, I don't get it.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:04

Why can't they just I mean if it's all about money, why not? You know, there's more than one way to skin cash. So instead of fighting so hard and spending money to line politicians' pockets, just spend them. I mean, they could they could do it just as easy as anybody else.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:18

Then but then the other caveat, if if we're taking alcohol out of it, unfortunately, we we have a battle within our own industry. And though it's been coming up a lot more lately because of this ban, the ban is only for hemp. And and you know, the other big marijuana side is like, hey, we're all for it because they're also competition. And it's that thought of why can't we all just work harmoniously together to get all of the plant available for the people that truly need it? Because it's not, we say this all the time. I love the recreation side of it, a big fan. Um, it's what started this show. But there's so much on the medicinal side and the health benefits that people at this point are striving for because modern medicine is failing us. So, you know, you had mentioned in your story earlier, you're you're you started growing because your mom needed it. Like, think of how many people have that similar story and what's gonna happen if we take it all away. Make it make sense.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:20

I mean, I don't think you came in. It's all about uh, I mean, you kind of something it's all about money, man. The the the marijuana industry sees the THC hemp market as direct competition. And to an extent, I guess I kind of see the points they make about taxation and the things that the hemp market has access to, that the cannabis industry or the the marrow recreational marijuana industry doesn't have access to. And I understand the unfairness of that, right? Why can't we just have one level playing field then for everybody? Just make it legal on a federal level. Uh, you know, like let's just all I I don't understand and you see it in politics and in people in general, like we're much quicker to fight each other than work with each other. Like that's almost like it doesn't cross people's mind. Like instead of like fighting this person and making them my enemy or my competition, like if we actually came together and worked together, maybe we could do or make something even better.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:27

Right? But that's just not something that for whatever reason, whether it's human, I don't I don't know why people do it. Like maybe it's human nature, but that's just not the first uh inclination that most people have.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:39

Everyone's more afraid of of losing to the competition than just working together to, like you said, elevate it to that next level. I mean, we've seen so much happen in even just the last few years from a product standpoint. Uh the sky is the limit, but we're limiting ourselves right now instead of just letting that creativity flow and see what people can do. I mean, we we talk about this all the time, just the random. It's getting to a point where like, okay, we can infuse anything, but I also kind of like seeing that. And it's like, well, what are we infusing next? Right. You know, one of the fun parts again of doing this show is getting to explore that and and calling it work and reaching out to people and be like, hey, I've never seen this. Can I get my hands on this? And you know, even the drinks are crazy. We've one of our other uh our other collaborators for this season is uh a powdered drink additive that we connected with. And I was that was one of the first of that kind I've seen instead of an actual drink itself. You know, it's just like a crystal light, you dump it in, you mix it around, and it's unflavored. So you can put in anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:47

So whatever your favorite drink now is now a TAS drink. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:52

And we we've seen like barbecue dry rubs, we've seen hot sauces, we've there's popcorn. I mean, the edibles and the and other consumables category right now are just like people are getting wild with what they're trying to infuse.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:05

Yeah, restaurants were doing it. Your whole meals were infused with it.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:09

I've have not been able to go to one of those yet, but we've seen a few around town recently. My bigger thing is I gotta make sure I get home. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:19

I'm lightweight when it comes to eating, and I can smoke it and be just fine. But I there's something about me dosing myself appropriately when I eat it, and I very quickly go past my own threshold. I don't think I could do it right.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:33

I will throw this out because again, we we shout out all of our guests all the time just to keep that the promotion going. But um one of my favorite consumables right now is spinellow's pizzas. If you haven't had one, I have not had one.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:48

A lot of my buddies who own dispensaries sell them enough. I've wanted to be so nervous about it.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:54

Well, the good thing, I will say the good thing that Mike is doing um with spinellos is he's got three different versions. He started with an 80 milligram and a 40 milligram, but now he's dropping down and offering a 20 as well. And that's for the whole pizza. It's a personal size pizza. The hard part is only eating like two slices and then saving the rest.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:12

I mean, like people like you how you just eat one or two slices of pizza.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:16

It's hard because he's he's been in the pizza game as long as you've been in the weed game.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:20

So he's a super nice guy.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:22

He's he's phenomenal at what he does with just a regular pizza.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:27

It's all he I mean, we baked him here fresh on the show last season, and he brought all the ingredients straight from the restaurant and a little portable oven. And I mean, they're fantastic.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:36

But yeah, you gotta have that self-control and know your tolerance and say, honestly, I think my mom traumatized me a little bit because she brought me the my first experience with edibles. She brought me a chocolate bar back to California. It was 400 milligrams. She did not like she didn't tell me, like, you know the whole thing. Oh god, I didn't understand. Oh dear God. So I ate all 400 milligrams and got in the shower. Oh, it basically started hallucinating. I'm glad you're still here with us. Every single drop. I could see everything, yeah. It was it was uh and I've done a lot of psychedelics in my life. Definitely one of the hardest trips I've ever had. Even yeah, like uh yeah, and then I got out of the shower, uh Monkey curled up in the fetal position on my bed and wrote it, wrote it out. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:21

And I will say the same thing. It's you have to learn yourself and you have to learn the product, obviously, but yeah, it can be tricky with things that are delicious.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:30

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:32

You know, cutting off that one little square chocolate and that's it. Your little nibble at night, and that's it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:38

You're like my favorite thing in the world are gummy bears. And they turned gummies into THC products, the worst thing that ever happened to me. Worst thing. Trying to eat one gummy bear, that's like freaking, I don't know. I don't I can't think of anything worse.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:54

What they need to do is just create a gummy that's literally like 0.01 milligrams so you could eat the whole bag. And that'd be and by the end of it, you'd have 10 milligrams, whatever the math would equal out to.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:09

That's what they need to do. I mean, I'll like I'll eat I'll eat enough for people that I'm not supposed to eat anymore. Grab another one.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:16

That was honest to God, my biggest concern with getting the pizza was like, I'm gonna eat two slices. Oh god, and an hour later I'm gonna get the mungeys and be like, I have pizza. And eat three more slices.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:31

Do I eat it or do I not eat it? Then I'll probably get it.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:35

But the cool thing with those is you can easily split one. So like we'll get the 80, and my wife and I can split it and eat half and half with a little side of something else. So we're actually full, and then it's done, it's gone, it's you don't have that accident later. Because we've been there and we tell those stories, and it's one of the things we we do well on this show is talk about our downfalls with the product. Yeah, because they do happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:03

Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:05

I'm just glad to hear you got out of the shower because I do high and I get in the shower. That's like a four by that's like a four foot by four foot sail.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:14

Yeah, I can't get in out.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:16

I just can't the door might be right there, but I can't get out.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:20

But at the same time, showering high is also one of the greatest things. Not to that extent, yeah, by any means. I want to feel like I can get out when I'm done. But taking a smoke a joint while you're in the bathtub. I mean, it's the most relaxing thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:38

I get high to do the dishes and stuff. That's what not the same. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just I'm getting high to do housework.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:48

So legitimately, and I mean, and even with the show, like my long editing days, I'll as long as I don't have to go anywhere to with the kids, work drop off, whatever, anything like that, like it helps. I'll get up and I'll smoke just to edit. I'll get up and I'll smoke to go to my day job. Like, but that's the beauty of where the product is right now. And and you can find those strains or different kinds of products if you're not a smoker that help get you through those activities. You know, you're again, you're not necessarily smoking to get high, but you want you want the creativity to flow, or you want the motivation sometimes to do what you have to do. I say it a lot. I do I do work with a lot of spreadsheets and Excel, and sometimes I need to hit half a joint just to focus on the tediousness of what's going on with it.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:44

Oh, I bet. And then, you know, you've helped a lot with that these last couple months. I could not do your job.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:50

You may not be able to do my job, but in with all due respect, I couldn't do yours.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:55

Honestly, your uh your cherry milk got me through a lot of long work days. She's a good one. So I do have to ask, as a a cultivator, what is or what are some of your your favorite strains?

SPEAKER_06 1:16:13

I think uh I think for me, uh as a consumer, Girl Scout cookies holds a special place in my heart. As a cultivator, man, anything with Mac in it. Anything with Mac in it uh is just the capulator, you know, he he bred Mac and get all the credit for it. Um he did something amazing with it. Uh everything Mac itself is uh a beautiful plant, uh very fun to grow. And everything that I've ever grown that was crossed with Mac, whether it be cat junkie or Gary and Mac, Mac Mosa. I've got a lot of different Mac crosses in my stable, and they're all just beautiful, beautiful plants.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:57

Uh so we actually you actually gave us two of those, I believe, too. We had I know we had Mac Mosa, and I think we had the Gary too. It's Mac Mosa.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:04

They're they're ones that I try to uh alternate through very often because again, I like them. I got we just brought down some calf junkie, which is uh uh Mac One and uh pushman's, I believe. Um they're beautiful, beautiful plants, easy to grow. That's uh that's one of my favorites. I I do like uh I have a great gas cross, great gas cross blueberry banana. Um it's called dopamine.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:32

Um I've always wanted to ask this when you see the crosses and then what they named the final product, and it has nothing to do with each side that went into it. Like, where would you get dopamine from blueberry banana and whatever else you said?

SPEAKER_06 1:17:50

Yeah, I I almost like that better than just trying to combine the two names. Like sometimes I feel like that just creates this generic name cycle. So I kind of like seeing something that like had nothing to do with great gas or blueberry banana, and you somehow you can go with dopamine. You know, they probably I assume they were sitting around testing them and they're like, this one makes me feel great, you know. We'll call it dopamine, you know. Thing you go, you know, whether it be the flavor, the smell, the look, something about it that just gives it gives it that that name and they they know it when they hear it.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:24

The one that threw me off the most that you gave us was the GMO, because I had never had that before and I had to look up what it was. I Googled everything you gave us just to know all the facts about it. I was like, well, what's GMO? And it stands for garlic, mushroom, and onion. Now, again, not the two strains that went into making it, but like when you smoke it and you smell it, weirdly enough, you get all three of those flavors and it makes sense, but then you're like, how did they do that?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:51

Terpene combinations are a very weird thing. Um and what you'll find is like when two plants are bred together, it's like two humans making a baby. Like there's dominant genes, recessive genes, and you just never know what's gonna come out. Like, and that's the we we call it pheno hunting as cultivators, right? Like, we'll we'll buy or produce a uh a batch of seeds, man, and we and we pop all of them, you know, to hunt through them and find the best genetic representation of that cross. Because they can be so different. It's no different than having two children by the same parent that can be completely different human beings. I have twin boys and they're they're paternal twins, and they're just completely different human beings, the way they act, the way they are, all that. So and plants are no different. It's always it's crazy, just some of the terpenes that come out. Like I like uh you know, GMO is certainly a unique one, but like, where does gas come from? Like literally smelling like gas. I don't I that one still like blows my mind sometimes that there's too many jokes in that that I could make right now, and I'm gonna have to leave that alone. It's just so odd to me that it can smell like just straight kerosene or gas. Like it's that's the weird one for me. Or or now we've got you know, candy gas is all the crazy candy smell or like uh you know GMO, strawberry short cigars. The the that's the thing I like. That's one of the things I like most about cultivating cannabis is there's always something new to find, there's always something new to experience. Uh even the same plant that you've maybe grown a bunch of times, like if you manipulate the environment or certain stressors in a certain way, you get a different uh she expresses herself in a different way, and it's interesting to just see those things. It's it's never it it is a lot of repetitious work, but the results vary, and it it's it it keeps it from being boring.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:53

Yeah. And you're constantly rotating what you're growing too, so it's not even the same, necessarily all the same strains every time.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:00

Yeah, and always hunting for new clones, new seeds. Um part of it is wanting to stay on top of the market and on top of fads and things like that. And some of it's just for personal, like uh like doing something new. Yeah. Um, some some strains I go just because I like them. And sellers, but I like smoking them, so I'm still gonna grow.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:24

It's your business, you can do what you want with it. Yeah, for sure. What a business to be in. So what's what's next on the horizons for the ghost face? What's coming up uh in the the short term or even the long-term plans?

SPEAKER_06 1:21:40

So uh short term, um we will be dropping these uh Myron jars uh very soon. Um this is the very first one we produced. You were the first ones to get it.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:53

Um finally the perks are paying off.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:57

GhostfaceGorilla.com does exist. You can visit it. You can't purchase anything off of it yet.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:01

Um I noticed that because I did visit it. And I said, well, this is uh not complete yet. Yeah, it's not complete yet.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:09

It is under construction. My good friend Carlos is working on it, and hopefully he will have it up and running very soon. Um so I'm excited about that. Um not only will we be selling uh cannabis and extracts and things like that on it, but hopefully we'll be doing some t-shirts and some some swag on there as well. Um goespacegorilla.com. Um and uh hopefully we'll be expanding the facility in the not too distant future as well. So if you toured the facility, you know there's uh I think we talked about a spot directly underneath us.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:40

And um talking to the landlord, uh so hopefully we'll be securing that space. Expanding 30 days or so and and expanding down there and hopefully being able to produce more product uh to you know meet meet the demand of more of the Charlotte market. Um that's the only problem that we have is when you walk in, it may seem like it's big, but the reality is is we're a pretty small grow in the world of cultivation. Um so meeting the demand can be a problem at times. So trying to expand uh so that we can produce more product. It's the only problem I've ever it's the biggest problem I've ever ran into in uh cultivation uh never have enough lights.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:30

Now, would you ever consider, or maybe this isn't even a thing, or is one better than the other indoor versus outdoor?

SPEAKER_06 1:23:39

I've never so just speaking from I've only ever done indoor. Um I'm not saying I wouldn't do outdoor. Um if nothing else was for the challenge and experience. Um obviously indoor quality is much much higher, it's a much more controlled environment. But I do think there is something to be said about cannabinoids production, terpene production from the sun. I think uh, you know, the full light spectrum and the UV and all the things you get from the sun, I do appreciate it. I think in the in the hash market, a lot of times in the extract market, sometimes there's a premium for the outdoor rooms. Because of the terpenes and because of the cannabinoids. Um Will I ever try my hand out? I would probably say no, but it's not off the table.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:36

Well, you need like a little rooftop, little little garden. That'd be kind of that'd be kind of dumb.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:44

It's uh harder to be discreet, I would imagine, though, if you're uh out in the in the wide open like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:50

We survived on an indoor up to this point, right? Because of the discretion. Um, yeah, and you know, whether you're growing hemp, C B D, T HPA, if somebody sees it, there's a lot of people who want to take it. That's the problem we faced even indoors. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:07

Wiper no swap. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:10

Man, this has been very educational. Yes, uh, an amazing conversation, and I want to thank you for being on the show. We are basically at time. Um, these last few conversations we've had have been so good that I lose track of the time and I have to keep making sure I I keep my eye on the clock so we don't go over. But you mentioned the website. Um, right now, where else can anybody find you? Uh uh social media or whatever else, just so they can follow along with uh with what's going on.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:45

Yeah, sure. Uh Ghostface uh man.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:48

Ghostface Gorilla Grow on Instagram.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:51

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it. I feel like we need to pull it out.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:55

I know he knows because we've we've sent it to so many people.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:58

But that's definitely the best place to reach me currently is gonna be on Instagram. It is Ghostface GorillaGrow, is the handle on Instagram. Um that is gonna definitely be the best place to reach me now. You can find me in some local dispensaries. A lot of it's probably actually all of it's probably white labeled at this point, so you're not gonna know it's mine unless um you know which trains I'm producing. So you're probably still gonna want to mess with me on Instagram to ask me what local shop if you're in. Is out of your way, that's fine. Please support um the people who support me. Um you know, uh, the joint uh uh the hemp cabinet, um uh the green spot, uh uh Sonic Bloom, um uh the Happy Canberra. There's several dispensaries here in town that that carry our product. Um but if you really if you want to get it farm direct, farm fresh, I would say either the green spot or or just hit me up directly on Instagram.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:01

It's gonna be if you want a straight farm to table, just message the man because it's A, it's an experience, but B, you're you're not gonna regret getting it getting it straight that way. I mean, probably the best I've had in a while because of that. And I will continue, obviously, to sample your product. But with that, is there anything you would like to say just generally to uh our listeners before we sign off?

SPEAKER_06 1:27:31

No, man, no. Fight fight for uh fight in any way you can to try and change things by November. Uh you know, in any small way, uh you know, like uh the big look song then, man. Just try to make it then any way you can.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:50

I like it. Simple and powerful. BJ. You know you're next.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:58

Man, it was it was awesome. Once again, I'll say it just in case someone came in halfway on the show.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:03

I don't know why they would, but uh it was it was awesome just to find a trivia question.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:08

That's it. It was awesome getting to do a tour. Um, and I want to make sure that uh it our our listeners trust us for some weird reason. Um it was it was a really awesome experience to go through. I was uh wasn't I'm not saying I was surprised that it was um as organized and as clean as it was because after the first room, I was like, oh, this is just getting better. It's just getting cleaner and more organized. Um and I I appreciate knowing, especially because my wife partakes that she's partaking in something that I know is in a in a good environment and from someone as knowledgeable as as what you're doing. So we really appreciate it, man. And I hope our listeners um uh will enjoy it as much as we do, you know. So amen.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:53

So yeah, thank thank you again for joining us. Everybody out there listening, please look up, follow along, support. I mean, this is this is the real deal right here. This is like I said, if if you want cannabis that's farmed to table, like look up the ghost face gorilla and uh and support to all of our 15 listeners. I'm upping it. Yeah, I know I'm up. I'm upping it. At this point, we're towards the end of the season, so we were probably at about 15.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:21

Here we go.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:22

Thank you again for listening to the vinyl high podcast. This is the podcast where the grooviest tunes turn into the craziest discussions. We hope you've enjoyed this auditory journey with us. Remember, stay tuned, stay mellow, and always keep your vinyl vibes. Until next time, keep reaching for the Sonic Sky, and together let's stay vinylly high. Today's episode of the Vinally High Podcast was powered by Ghostface Gorilla Grow, the legend in the garden and the name behind the loudest premium THC flower out there.