S4:E6 - Healing Beyond the Mask | Tae the Fae on Vinally High

On this episode of the Vinally High Podcast, hosts Drew Beats and BJ Buds welcome a truly unique guest—Tae, a holistic healer, nature-based guide, and creator of the Beyond the Mask podcast. Tae’s work blends ancestral wisdom, herbal medicine, breath-work, sound healing, and creative rituals to help people reconnect with themselves and explore deeper paths of healing. 

The conversation begins with Tae sharing her journey into holistic healing and plant medicine—from experimenting with growing cannabis in college to diving deep into the world of mushrooms and their potential benefits for mental health and personal growth. Tae explains how mushrooms helped shape her understanding of self-reflection, healing, and intention, and why she believes education and guidance are key to destigmatizing herbal medicine. 

Along the way, the crew discusses microdosing, the importance of approaching psychedelic experiences with intention, and how plant medicines may play a major role in the future of mental health treatment. Tae also shares insights into her mission to help people reconnect with nature and their inner selves through holistic practices and community education. 

As always, the episode delivers plenty of laughs and classic Vinally High moments—from BJ Buds’ hilarious AI album-cover description challenge to the trio vibing out over the night’s featured record: Jazmine Sullivan’s Heaux Tales. 

Tae also talks about her creative ventures, including voice acting and her animated project The Woodsons, and shares the inspiration behind her own podcast, Beyond the Mask, where she interviews guests about transformational healing experiences and personal growth.

Roll up, press play, and join the Vinally High crew for a conversation that blends music, mindfulness, mushrooms, and a whole lot of laughs.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_09 1:21

Hi, welcome everybody to another episode of the Finally High Podcast. I'm your host, Drew Beats. This gentleman. This direction right here, baby, is the best co-host that I could find on a dime, Mr. BJ Buds. What's up, brother? How you doing? I'm fantastic. It's a recording day. I'm always looking at it.

SPEAKER_05 1:40

Of course, of course. Another awesome guest. Fourth season, baby. We're living the life over here, baby. Let's go.

SPEAKER_09 1:46

It's been a great season so far, but alas, we do have another fantastic guest here with us tonight.

SPEAKER_04 1:52

So without further ado, we do do it.

SPEAKER_09 1:59

We are joined tonight by a holistic healer, a nature-based guide who helps people soften back into themselves through herbs, mushrooms, breath work, sound healing, and creative rituals. Her work honors ancestral wisdom, indigenous herbal traditions, and the belief that nature is the true technology. The creator of Beyond the Mask, a podcast where she invites guests to explore their inner worlds and the stories behind their healing. Welcome to the vinyl high studios tonight. Tey Fei.

SPEAKER_04 2:29

Peace, everyone. How are you?

SPEAKER_09 2:32

Beautiful night. We're always good, but the real question is how are you today?

SPEAKER_01 2:37

I'm amazing. Always amazing. I'm excited to be here. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_09 2:41

We'll we'll ask that again after the show. We'll see if you get the same answer.

SPEAKER_05 2:46

Halfway through, most people are like, oh my gosh, is this thing over again? We're good. We're good. No, it's all fun. It's all fun.

SPEAKER_09 2:56

But let's just jump right into things. Um we we connected with you a little while back. It just seems like it was forever ago when we started the planning process for everything. But um oddly enough, I met you at a farmer's market.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

That's where I meet everyone.

unknown 3:17

Oddly enough.

SPEAKER_09 3:24

And so that was the real connection. But I had never met you face to face until we were at a farmer's market and you were randomly there, and there was the whole like double take as people walked by each other, and then we talked and um did a deep dive, obviously, indeed, once I got home, because I had to to find out everything that you were involved in. And you are involved in a lot.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

So much, so much, so many pictures.

SPEAKER_09 3:50

Now we gave the intro, and we'll get into everything that you you do and and why. But if you could give a brief synopsis of yourself, I mean, what do you how do you say what you do? I mean, you wrote the intro, so that is how you say what you do, but like when people ask and you're not gonna give them that full-blown speech, like how would you sum up yourself?

SPEAKER_02 4:10

I honestly would sum myself up as a holistic healer because I I dwell in so many different avenues and things that kind of all circumference healing in itself and just helping people connect back with themselves. Um, and just helping people understand that like every all the things that you truly want to connect with and understand about yourself is internal. So just you know, helping people understand that shift in their minds.

SPEAKER_09 4:37

And I've noticed that the more and more we have um different guests that come from the more holistic health side, you know, not not our our bands or our musicians or some of the shop and product people we have, but the other holistic people. And I and I experienced this through my own wife as well, because she falls into that category. It's you gotta find a title for yourself, and then you find out what all of you actually do, and it's like a laundry list of stuff, and you're just like, well, scrolling.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

I do. I love um doing Reiki, I do sound healing for the community, I love connecting with the community. Um, I recently just started volunteering, helping um our community garden grow mushrooms. Um, so that's been another venture of mine, which has been amazing. I love connecting with mushrooms.

SPEAKER_09 5:27

That's gonna be a big part of tonight's topic. I'm not gonna lie. You're you're kind of one of our few resident mushroom people we've been able to connect with this year. And it's a new topic we're exploring in the world of bringing all the types of plant medicines into the show, not just THC and CBD.

SPEAKER_07 5:47

Right.

SPEAKER_09 5:47

Um, so it's been fun kind of being able to broaden our horizons in that sense as well for the show. So I'm I'm excited to hear more about that world and how you got into it.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Yes, yes. Um, mushrooms have been a part of my life and my journey for a very long time now. Um, but I I I don't know. I feel like everyone should do mushrooms.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

Everyone should take mushrooms.

SPEAKER_05 6:12

Everyone that does mushrooms, they all say that. I've never heard someone do mushrooms be like, no, no, no, you don't you don't want that. And everyone is like, I think that everyone in the world should have to do this. The world would be a completely different place.

unknown 6:27

It would.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

It really would. They teach you a lot about who you are, they help you answer questions that you may be suppressing that you don't even know that you need the answer to. Um, and a lot of people are afraid of experiencing that sometimes because sometimes we we have so many things that we're really suppressing inside ourselves that we don't want to face. And mushrooms, they literally will beat your ass and make you face it. Man, smack you around a little bit. Sometimes we need to be smacked out. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 6:57

Well, it's one of my things that I say every day. Uh, well, not every day, but every once in a while I say everyone needs uh a good punch in the face. They do, it just gives you perspective, right? When you go too long without a punch in the face, you start thinking, you start saying stuff to people that you probably wouldn't if you knew you could get a good punch in the face. Yeah, yeah. And that's a beautiful thing. I don't need a punch in the face anymore. I'm good. I'll I I keep it on the straight and narrow now.

SPEAKER_09 7:25

I'm sure there are some people in this house that would disagree with that statement.

SPEAKER_05 7:30

It's my wife. Uh but yeah, yeah. No, that's awesome. That's a beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_09 7:39

But as the show progresses, we will unfold all of that. And I know you've got a lot to share. I've I've already done not as much homework as I probably could have, but a lot into a lot of the things you have because you're on multiple venues, you're doing different things. I don't want to give away too much too early, but you know, you you have a podcast, you do just you're you're doing all kinds of things, and it's great to have people on that are that well-rounded in doing what they're doing because it gives a lot more insight into things we don't necessarily know about yet. And that's the fun of having people like you on the show. We learn something, believe it or not, there is an educational component to this show, and we do strive to learn at least one thing in each episode.

SPEAKER_05 8:26

Yeah, we're not just here just for the looks, it's not just for the looks.

SPEAKER_09 8:32

Although I'm not gonna lie, BJ, I almost texted you earlier today because for the listeners across the globe, um, last week we were like 85 degrees, and then this week it decided to jump back down to 30.

SPEAKER_05 8:44

30, man. Welcome to Sean.

SPEAKER_09 8:46

But we had issues the last few weeks with it being too hot in the house in the studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and so we couldn't wear our super cool smoking jackets we just got. They're beautiful. And I always texted you to say, like, hey, it's cold enough. Do we want to wear them tonight?

SPEAKER_05 9:02

It's all good. We'll save it for season five.

SPEAKER_09 9:05

We'll live there for season five. I'll show you before you leave. They're pretty pimp. Yeah, they're pretty pimping. I'm not they're like velvet, deep purple. Like, they're so nice.

SPEAKER_06 9:15

Who doesn't like the way velvet feels like a skinny baby?

SPEAKER_09 9:20

But the whole ensemble is not yet complete. That's just one piece to the puzzle.

SPEAKER_05 9:25

Working on it. Mm-hmm. Working on it.

SPEAKER_09 9:31

Do you smoke in the smoke jacket, or is it we literally just got them like a week ago, so we have we have not smoked in them yet. Listen, we're just making the show as we go. But yes, no, they they are actual, like, if you picture like Hugh Hepner, like smoking jacket, like rogue style, not quite as long, but no, they're official smoking jackets. So, like, if you're sitting in your study with a pipe, like there's an old white guy in a smoking jacket, this is what we got. That's what we got.

SPEAKER_05 10:00

So, so the way they came about was the first time I came over to partake in a vinylly high like situation that we do, which is why the show started.

SPEAKER_09 10:14

I was saying it was actually the night we came up with the concept of the show.

SPEAKER_05 10:17

I came in with my, it was almost it almost looked like a smoke jacket, but it was really just like a shower, a shower no, BJ, it was your actual bathrobe that was too old and small to all tie all the way around.

SPEAKER_09 10:32

Belly's out. So he came in with it what fully open, but like still tied a bow in the front.

SPEAKER_05 10:40

So so once we got we thought we imagined the smokers' jackets to be professional, like what I came in with a professional look. And that's what we came in for. And it's beautiful. I think what I wore was fine, but you know, he don't want to the best part was you literally showed up like that. Yeah, sandals.

SPEAKER_09 10:57

Like I opened the door and he was in a robe half open with with slippers on. I'm like, did you drive that way? I was like, the answer was yes, yes, he did.

SPEAKER_06 11:07

I cannot get pulled over. I cannot get pulled over. I cannot step out of the vehicle. No, no, officer. I cannot step out of the vehicle.

SPEAKER_05 11:19

He peek in. Yeah, no, you just don't have to sit. You just don't have a sit right there. Yeah, it was rough. Maybe we'll have throw the picture up. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 11:30

I am pretty sure I've shared that multiple times is your happy birthday post.

unknown 11:33

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_09 11:37

So if you go back about a year ago, because I didn't use it for this year's birthday, but I'm pretty sure it was last year's.

SPEAKER_05 11:44

I'm not ashamed. God bless me with all this. I need to let the world need to well let the world know, you know, his glory, you know.

SPEAKER_09 11:54

As much as we all love picturing that, yes, let's get into the record, and we'll get that queued up so that we can dive into all the fantastic conversation topics we're gonna go down tonight. Some good, some bad. Who knows?

SPEAKER_07 12:08

It's all good.

SPEAKER_09 12:09

But you chose um Jasmine Sullivan's hotels, so we're gonna be spinning that tonight. And before we get it going, one of the things we like to do that we've been doing ever since we started season one. I don't know why we started it and it just kind of kept going. But we make BJ describe the album art verbally. Um, because when we used to be an audio-only podcast, we wanted people to get a good picture of what we were listening to. And then I take that description and run it through an AI image generator and see what it comes up with for the cover art based on only the words he says. He can't use specific names or titles or anything other than just this is what I see. Um, and sometimes they come out pretty spot on, and sometimes they come out horribly hilarious. Um and then when the episode airs during the week, that's one of the posts we'll put out and see if anyone can actually guess what the hell he's describing. That's what we're listening to. So while I get that on, Mr. Buds, why don't you go ahead and grab this time lovely album and describe what you see.

SPEAKER_05 13:13

All right, let's see. I I didn't grow up with a lot of vinyl records or CDs or anything like that. So most of the times when I'm looking at this, this is my first time uh looking at it. And wow, what am I looking at here? There's a there's a beautiful woman with the first thing that I notice are some incredibly good-looking nails on with a it looks like skin suit pants, like shorts that are that are like skin tight with a leather. This beautiful woman with a bob haircut is wearing a leather jacket that is revealing.

SPEAKER_09 13:49

If I may say so myself, don't say too much because AI will yell at me again.

SPEAKER_05 13:54

If I may say so myself, an incredible feature of her body is being revealed, and she's got some incredible earrings on. They look look like claws of some sort, claws with diamonds on them. I don't know. I don't know, and she is staring off into the distance and and touching her body as if to say, I'm here. Come and get me.

SPEAKER_07 14:16

Come get me.

SPEAKER_05 14:17

Come get me. See, yeah, exactly. That's what I see.

SPEAKER_09 14:23

So the funny thing we well, I realized this year so far, um, and this is just luck of the draw because we have everybody pick the album. The only one I pick is for our finale when we don't have a guest on. So it's all a surprise every time he comes. I don't even tell him what records we're spinning. But we've had a number of records this year where he's described them very sexually.

SPEAKER_06 14:50

Um I don't think I did.

SPEAKER_09 14:52

I didn't think he honestly got that bad, but when I was in Chat GPT typing it out, it yelled at me like this violates our policies for image generation.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

AI's getting sensitive. Very sensitive. You can't put anything in here without her being like, I'm now, I'm now, it's just illegal, it's legal.

SPEAKER_09 15:14

It's terrible. And one of my favorite things to do that I've I've said on the show too many times is argue back with AI. And like, why are you doing this? Get your mind out of the gutter. Nothing he said was that bad. And just if you've never, honest to God, carried on a full-blown argument with an AI bot, okay. I was gonna say, go do it. It's the greatest thing you'll do. Now, the worst part though is I don't pay for it, so I only have the free version. So after so many image generation requests, it's like you've reached your limit for the game.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Right.

SPEAKER_09 15:45

And so I'll yell at it for that too, because I'm like, well, you wasted all of my requests getting it wrong every time and not following my clear directions. So what are you gonna do about that?

SPEAKER_05 15:54

I keep telling him he better slow down because when AI's in charge of our healthcare or something, they're gonna be like, oh no, this guy.

SPEAKER_06 16:04

This motherfucker.

SPEAKER_09 16:07

No, it's fine because I also talk to it under my stage name, so it doesn't know who I really am.

SPEAKER_06 16:12

Okay, okay. I'm not taking that chance. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_05 16:19

I talk to AI straight up. Like, well, I say thank you. I said please. Honestly, I do too.

SPEAKER_04 16:29

Just in case.

SPEAKER_09 16:30

I start every prompt with please generate. Okay, but then when it starts doing things wrong or like not as I described it, my my attitude changes over time.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

Imagine, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 16:42

And then when it gives me that you've reached your limit, and I'm like, no, motherfucker, I didn't, because you created wrong images. No, you said that shit.

SPEAKER_05 16:53

No, no, they're gonna be the police one day and they're gonna remember this conversation like 30 years from now. No.

SPEAKER_09 17:00

One day I legitimately told it this is a scam, and you're just wasting my attempt so that you can ask you can upsell me on trying to get the subscription.

SPEAKER_03 17:09

Like probably immediately asked you.

SPEAKER_04 17:14

So are you gonna buy or not?

SPEAKER_09 17:16

It got to the point during one argument that it actually apologized for pissing me off, and that was the first time I heard AI swear. Wow. Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

What did he say?

SPEAKER_09 17:27

They said, I'm sorry, you're pissed off.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_09 17:30

I can clearly see I've not been following your directions. And I'm like, get it right, bitch.

SPEAKER_05 17:35

Oh my god. I'm telling you, simmer down. Because you know, I'm telling you, because right now they're making like the AI companions that can come into your home and like clean your house, and it's gonna be looking at you eyes cleaning, like, yeah, this is the dude that kept talking about his friends describing an album cover. Could you could you make this picture for my friend? This is the guy.

SPEAKER_09 18:00

This is the guy that keeps trying to generate images of a black man having sex with animals, which I will not also do. No bestiality.

SPEAKER_04 18:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 18:10

AI, I thought you were supposed to be getting smart.

SPEAKER_05 18:15

He loves making pictures of me as a mermaid. I don't know what it is. And so that's an animal.

SPEAKER_09 18:20

It's an animal, so no, it it didn't like me trying to tell you to have sex with an octopus. Oh, we talked about this on the foundation. He sent me a couple pictures when he was in San Francisco, shirtless, laying on like this beautiful scenery log on the beach with the Golden Gate Bridge behind it and the water. And so my eyes saw it and said, This needs to be turned into him trying to get busy with a little mermaid.

SPEAKER_07 18:47

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_09 18:48

And it did that one fine. And then when I tried to do Ursula, it was like, whoa. Oh no, that that crosses the lines of our policies. Purple octopus with white hair.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

That's too freaky for me. Octopus.

SPEAKER_05 19:07

Um, I'm just saying, I'm not messing with AI right now. I I see the particular I'm messing with it enough for you, so you're already fucked.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

I'm like, I don't know that guy.

SPEAKER_09 19:17

It's gonna show up to your house and be like, you're that guy that likes to fuck octopuses.

SPEAKER_05 19:21

No officer, uh, officer AI, I do not know that guy. No, no, Dr. AI, I do not know. Nah, it's not good. We have a good time with it though. And all jokes aside, from the first thing, the first one that you made three years ago, back in 2023 to now, it's a whole new world with the images and just how realistic everything looks.

SPEAKER_09 19:45

Yeah, and back then we didn't even know what we were doing with AI. So I was just throwing random prompts in, and it would just come up with the most dumb looking things. And we went with it, because this is AI.

SPEAKER_05 19:55

Yeah, it's it was like going back to like school using the computer for the first time, like the feeling that I had back then messing with AI for four years ago. I felt like a little kid again. Um, and gosh, it is growing the things that you can do with it. We just had a wonderful guest uh on, and uh his uh Jeff from uh Gorilla Grow, and he uses um uh he was talking about how he's incorporated um his grow farm where there's like uh timers for water to come on and grow the plants and stuff like that, and how that can be incorporated into AI for the kind of takeover. Uh it's just a matter of it.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

A tower that uh is operated by AI.

SPEAKER_05 20:38

No way.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

It's like a tower garden where you basically it's hydroponic or aeroponic, I believe. Um, and it just grows on its own, like it's time for it to water the plants um and watch the plants like it has a camera where you can watch it from like if you're not at home.

SPEAKER_09 20:56

Um that is a great segue into something I was gonna get into later in the show, but you grow your own stuff. Yeah, and so let's start with how did you first really get into just wanting to be more involved in the in that the mushroom world? Um, not just the psychedelic, but like all of it.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Well, funny enough, I actually like got into growing weeds in college. I won't say what's in the door, but like you was in the door, I was in the college apartments.

SPEAKER_09 21:35

You can grow it as long as they don't find it.

SPEAKER_05 21:38

Yeah, but did you like walk throughs and checks and stuff like that?

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Did you yes, but they never went in your closet. Yeah, yeah, they never picked the closet.

SPEAKER_09 21:47

And most of the time, you know when someone's gonna come look for stuff because it's rarely unannounced and a complete surprise. Gotcha, okay. Um, and if it is, then you probably know you risk. That chance because you know you're doing shit that they're gonna be like, I'm gonna come randomly come surgery. So if you're smart about it, listen, I'm not preaching anything.

SPEAKER_03 22:11

That seems wild though.

SPEAKER_09 22:14

If you know what you're doing, they're not gonna find it.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

And I went to an HBCU, so you know, the H a lot of HBCUs are unfortunately still in the hood. Fun fact, man. So fun fact. So, you know, when it comes to like college apartments, they don't they they'll come in, look in, like, oh, everything good, uh, it ain't burnt down.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

Yeah, honestly, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

No, they never really um check too check too much, but yeah, it was pretty easy in that. That's like kind of what started me getting into like growing herbal medicine because I that was so easy for me. Um, and eventually I started working on a hemp farm, which where is really where I wow where it's really where I now that is a whole nother story because that was like slavery.

SPEAKER_09 23:06

I am not gonna ask people questions about this farm now. I was just about to be like, what one? Where is it?

SPEAKER_02 23:13

Is it down here? He didn't know how to do a fun fact the guy actually turned out to be a scammer.

SPEAKER_05 23:19

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

Yeah, he um he rented out all these like farms and worked with was working with all these people and these seed vendors and telling a bunch of like people that was like giving him grant money that he was gonna grow these uh like hemp plants and sell CBD uh seeds and things like that. So that's how he took all of the money, he hired all these people, was not really even paying us, like we weren't even paying certain. And we were out there like literally in the hot sun, like slaying. Like we didn't even have a um, what's it called? So we had some water like uh over a million seeds, literally over a million seeds, like with our hands, like with the water um water spouse and like just take them.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

It was terrible. It was over.

SPEAKER_09 24:09

The things that come out in this show, honest to God, sometimes.

SPEAKER_05 24:14

I just can't believe they couldn't trust a drug dealer. I don't, I don't know, I don't know. It's just such a surprise to me. It's just a surprise. You know, things happen. But a learning, learning lesson. Let's say it was a learning experience.

SPEAKER_02 24:29

I did understand how to grow weed. So I took the knowledge from that. Um, and then I started growing more weed in my college apartment. And I would have had a lot of successful grows. Um and then that kind of segueed into me wanting to understand how to grow mushrooms because after my first experience with mushrooms, I was like, how do you do these things have seeds? Like I was just like really curious about nope. Past when was the first time you you did um it was in 2020. Yeah, right when after like COVID started doing this like little thing.

SPEAKER_09 25:08

Um when everyone was bored and you had nothing to do, and you're like, I'm gonna grow some shit in my closet.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Yep, yep. That's when um well you mean like when I first tried mushrooms?

SPEAKER_05 25:18

Yeah, yeah. Cause you said that uh that the the growing uh helping out helping out eat and transition to uh trying the mushrooms. So was it around the same time as college?

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Um about I had graduated about like four years after that. Yeah, but I had already graduated. I was still just living in Greensboro working. Um, so I was still staying in the college apartment. It was just shape. But it was, yeah. Yeah. So that experience after that, like my first psychedelic experience, that was it was all for it. I was like, I need to know more. You were you were sold instantly. I was like, I need to know more.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

That's peculiar though, because um it's peculiar the way that that you thought the first time you had it, I need to know how to make this. Yeah, that's peculiar. I because when I first had it, I was just like, this is amazing. But I it never thought I never thought like, which which is highly and completely possible that the stuff that I was loving, I could also make myself, but I never I never thought about it like that.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

Have you ever like tried a food and you'd be like, oh no, can I make this?

SPEAKER_09 26:28

No, no, no, that's so weird. PJ just walked.

SPEAKER_06 26:31

I'm a big boy too, right? I don't know if big boys probably get my eat on.

SPEAKER_09 26:35

And then there's a reason he literally lives 10 feet from a grocery store.

SPEAKER_05 26:42

You know, I I do cook all the time, but what's weird is is I come up with stuff, but I've never ate something and then be like, I need to know how like picked up, I need to know how to make this like a Lego or something. Like you put Legos together. Uh when I was playing with Legos, I would um go go to someone's house and they got a cool Lego thing. I would think, man, I would love to learn how to build this thing, but when it comes to like eating or something, or I don't know, even a cocktail or something, when I drink it, I'm just I just enjoy it. Yeah, um, I don't think, man, I would also need to know how to, I would also like to know how to make this. So that's that's about to change my whole way of thinking about things, really. You know. We just had some incredible bud last weekend, and now I'm thinking, I would love to learn how to make that you ever make edibles or anything? No, no, no. I consume really, but not.

SPEAKER_09 27:38

I was gonna say, honestly, especially with now doing the show, not that I wouldn't make my own stuff sometime or learn just for the knowledge of how to make stuff, but we kind of get stuff too. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 27:50

And I don't always have to look towards can I make this? Because one of the most fun things we do is just reach out to people and be like, hey, can we get some shit and we'll talk about it?

SPEAKER_05 27:59

Yeah. Have incredible conversations with them. Then we get product, then we get to talk about it, and then we get to give it to you. We are we're we're not stingy at this show whatsoever. Whatever we get, we try to spread out to as many people as we possibly can. So, you know. But what would also be also be able to make our own stuff and be able to do all those things as well. Yeah, pass it out.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

I love making things. I make mushroom treats all the time. My balls are my balls are crazy.

SPEAKER_05 28:29

I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to find out.

SPEAKER_02 28:33

You may need to clarify that.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

Anybody knows me? They know my balls.

SPEAKER_09 28:42

I guess I don't know you then.

SPEAKER_05 28:44

Hey, you know, I'm gonna have to find out. I don't know. Not the balls. Oh man, you told me.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

I'm told. I make these Dubai um chocolate. Well, the first balls that I started making were these Oreo cream cheese, mushroom chocolate balls.

SPEAKER_09 29:06

I'm so glad I'm actually doing this episode sober right now. There's way too much ball talk going on.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Balls, nuts, everything.

SPEAKER_09 29:16

Listen, oh man.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Chocolate balls. But yeah, I love making treats. I make these Dubai uh chocolate balls as well. They have like pistachio cream, peanut butter, and much runs. I I love making things that where you cannot taste because I think the worst thing about mushrooms is the taste. Yeah. Eating them.

SPEAKER_09 29:38

I I have yet to experience a journey. Um, but that's one of the things I hear a lot is what are you gonna put it in? How are you gonna have it? Because they taste terrible.

SPEAKER_07 29:49

Yes, they're horrible.

SPEAKER_09 29:50

Which sucks because I love mushrooms in general. Like give me any other kind of edible mushroom that you would normally eat and like oh, turn it off. I would never say anything tastes bad. I love mushrooms, but that's the one thing that I hear more and more over and over again is just find something to put it in because you don't want to have it plain.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

You have to be creative with mushrooms. I I make uh these lemonades. Oh man. Yeah, I've okay.

SPEAKER_09 30:19

So we're getting together with Taya's.

SPEAKER_05 30:23

She's definitely invited to the next cookout, there's no doubt about it. Absolutely. My goodness. We got balls, we got lemonades. Man, come on. That sounds good to me.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

Floating.

SPEAKER_09 30:42

So you were in college, you started growing weed, that turned into okay, I can do mushrooms. How did that continue to sort of snowball?

SPEAKER_02 30:53

Um, well, I would say after I got into like growing mushrooms, I started to want to teach more, teach more people about understanding, because people are very intimidated by mushrooms. And I think with anything, like with being ignorant to anything, you just don't have an understanding of it. So giving people that kind of clarity and just teaching them um about microdosing, about different ways of having mushrooms, I think that, you know, that that's kind of more what I've been centered in and focused on.

SPEAKER_07 31:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:26

Um, so I that's what my Instagram page is kind of based in, is just giving people knowledge about how mushrooms are beneficial, especially if you're microdosing, because it it can heal so many different things like mental ailments, um, anxiety, depression, people who have PTSD, like so. I've just been doing a lot more research and how mushrooms, because mushrooms are like the next, I don't think a lot of people know mushrooms are the next like big thing for the medical field.

SPEAKER_09 31:53

I I totally agree. Once we get past this hemp bullshit, yeah, yeah, mushrooms are on the horizon. And some states are already starting to make progress. I mean, just in the the few months we've been recording, New Jersey passed some major legislation. I want to say last month. Or yeah, last month, because we're in March now, um, to start looking at mushrooms for you know, for therapy. So, I mean, it that's the first I've heard of someone actually taking that step so far. There may be some other states, but that one stood out when I saw it. So I agree. Like it's if we can get past some of the crap now that is gonna pave the way for that to happen, it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

Very much so. Yeah, that's uh it just it sucks. Like that that's that's where I feel like I'm coming in. I'm gonna play a part in destigmatizing herbal medicine because it's it carries such a negative connotation. Like the things that heal us are considered negative and bad for us, but the things that kill us are considered the things that you know are pushed for us to put in our bodies.

SPEAKER_09 32:59

Yeah, well, there's more money in the things that kill you.

SPEAKER_02 33:05

It's yeah, it's a scam. And I I feel like more people are becoming more aware of like just how the medical field is my exact sentiments.

SPEAKER_09 33:16

I actually say that phrase verbatim probably once a week. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

So um I'm um really and I and I I have so many other ventures that I do too. Like I was just saying, I um also do voice acting and acting.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

Just let them be found out.

SPEAKER_09 33:34

We are actually a hundred percent gonna plug that because this may have been one of the greatest things you showed us uh off air. And it was amazing. I'm just imagining myself honestly watching it later under the influence a little bit. Oh talk about that if you want to for a few minutes, because I think that's a great plug to make here for people to look up and watch.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

Yes, definitely go check out the Woodsons. The Woodsons, um, it is a show based around uh the Ed and Eddy show, the character Plank. Um, so my friend Art, he's a great artist and he directs, he shoots it, he does everything with it. And um I he just you know casted me as a character. And my role in there, I talked about mushrooms a lot. We actually have an episode. I mean, rightfully so. Not the right person. So one of the characters, uh, we recently just had an episode where one of the characters she basically got like she passed out because she ate a bunch of like mushrooms and she had like an experience or whatever. So um voice acting is so fun. I love doing that a lot.

SPEAKER_09 34:43

Now, because the characters are all planks of wood, is there a maybe uh an episode where like one of them just starts growing mushrooms? Oh that would be what like on themselves.

SPEAKER_05 34:57

They're just like they like look up and they're like, oh my god, what is that?

SPEAKER_09 35:02

You can take that for free. Yeah, I'll I'll I'll let the idea go.

SPEAKER_05 35:06

They go to a piece of wood and be like, I can't see what this something's all about. And then someone just eats it. The other one like recognizes what it is and is like, oh my gosh. I have a friend.

SPEAKER_09 35:23

Like your character growing mushrooms on them could just come in and be like, oh, this is and then give like the Latin name of it, and then just take a big bite.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

Oh man. Start running testing on that would be awful.

SPEAKER_09 35:40

I mean, honestly, you showed us a few minutes worth of it, and it looked pretty funny. Um honestly, yeah, just it's live live action in a way, and then it's a little animated too. Um but it looked pretty funny, and I will absolutely check an episode out later when I have nothing to do and I'm just vibing out. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

It's more than kind of moment, trust me.

SPEAKER_09 36:07

Yeah, good stuff. And so now you like you said, you're doing all these things, opportunities are coming to you. You've you you've got your businesses, you're doing the voice acting, um but you also do a podcast. Yes, and it is called Beyond the Mask. And so we have a few minutes before we're gonna take our break. Let's let's talk about how that came to be because that was really after we chatted the first time, you advised me to just go watch some episodes. Um and the first one I picked, honestly, was how we had one of our other upcoming guests later on this season, Nani. Um, you gave me no direction, you just said pick one of the female episodes if you want something good to watch. And I I landed on her. And so I love the concept of what you're doing with that channel. Um, because well, I'll I'll let you tell it. I'm not gonna give away why. But I think it's something really, really cool that you're doing with that. So, how did that come up as a project for you?

SPEAKER_02 37:15

Well, funny enough, I actually last well, the year before last year, I was living in Thailand for a little bit. And uh while I was there, I got inspired to like start a podcast. And I didn't know what I wanted to be based around. Um, I kept coming up with things. I was, I originally started off and I was gonna do a podcast on people who have just been through like really traumatic experiences and how they feel through it and what shaped them. Um then I was like, how can we make this more aligned with something that we really truly love? So then I was like, mushrooms, mushrooms, interviewing people who have had these, you know, amazing herbal experiences that have shaped them and have really molded them in some way or changed their life in some way and introduced them to herbal medicines. Um, so that's pretty much how I started. Like I was just like, let me, let me, I feel like more people need to, and like I said, I'm destigmatizing um, you know, what the negative connotation behind herbal medicines and mushrooms and psychedelics because it is something that's healing and it has changed people in so many different ways. Um, so I just started interviewing a lot of people, and that's something that I kind of started and stopped because I couldn't really find people who wanted to talk about their experiences.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

But I do want to, you know, start interviewing people again because I really do love hearing about people, you know, just sharing their story because it's it's it was honestly it's a story.

SPEAKER_09 38:47

It was really interesting because yeah, obviously there's there's an entertaining factor to it when people talk about their stories, but there's also the whole, like you said, you're trying to destigmatize things. And so hearing these real experiences from people who who had them and how they did them. And for for someone who wants to do it but hasn't yet, like this is good information to just hear everyone's methods or what worked, what didn't work. Um, you know, who was were you with a guy that kind of helped you through it versus just tripping out on your own? And so I think that's where a lot of things get the bad name from is it's you only hear about the bad experiences. There's not enough people publicly putting out this type of content or what we're doing, because that's part of our show too, is we joke, we laugh, we tell the horror stories, but we tell that so that people don't have to experience it. And we tell the good stories so you can hear these are the ways you can enjoy it better. Very much so. And you're doing something very similar just with another plant that we haven't totally incorporated into this show yet. So, like you said, it's it's evolving and it's gonna be the next thing. So we wanted it to jump on being able to share that with our guests too.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

Very much so.

SPEAKER_05 40:02

I can't wait for you to find uh those folks that do want to tell those stories, um, because there's something incredible about being being down low and then being able to get out of that that sunken place for some people, um, and knowing that it is um some type of plant medicine that that helps you get get to that good place. More people need to hear that, more people want to find other ways than going to the the doctor and buying a medicine that costs a hundred dollars a week to use. Um so I'm looking forward to hearing um when those folks come out and really are excited to tell the story.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

Yes, for sure. Yeah, that's what I really love about interviewing people too, is because people will really share with you like you can have the experience, because a bad tri, you know, they always say like bad trips, but I always tell people there's no such thing as a bad trip. You're only going through what you need to face and you need to release because your mind, you there's no part of your mind or your body that's against you. Everything is working for you. So if you feel something, if you see something, that's something that you need to experience and you need to face. And you you need to talk with yourself. You may you may have something that happened in your past when you were younger that you didn't deal with or you didn't, you know, it really traumatized you and you you are holding it literally in your body, in your nervous system. And what the mushrooms do is it's an intelligent technology, is what I like to call it, because it will literally, I always call it scooping. Like, like when you feel that weird, like when you're going up on mushrooms, it feels like you're going up on a roller coaster, like when you eat them. It really feels like and you start to feel this uncomfortable. Inch by inch. Yes. And I always call it like it's like the mycelium or like the the the um the mushroom itself is like taking everything that you know is negative or is like influencing you in some way, it's taking it and it's like almost like um if you think about venom, like spider, if you think about like that, it's like sticking to it. And it's okay, it's like just taking it all and it's it's it's making sure that you can release it. So you may cry, you may scream, you may go through some type of manic episode, but at the end of it, you come out of it a better person. But this is why, you know, having an understanding of the medicine is important instead of going in it kind of blindsided, because you know, I my sister she works into the um health field, into like the mental side of things, and she'll she'll tell me sometimes like people will come in there and they did some type of drug or they did something like a psychedelic and it had a negative effect on them, and they came in there manic, crazy, and that's because they didn't have someone with them or they didn't have the understanding of the medicine, so they took it, was started dealing with stuff they didn't even know that they had internally stuff inside of them, and they're they're facing all of it all at once, so it's like, yeah, that's a lot that could be a lot for anybody. So um, just giving people that guidance is what's so important for me.

SPEAKER_09 43:10

Yeah. That and correct me if I'm wrong because I'm the novice here, but the way I look at it too is I don't think you should ever just go into taking mushrooms on a whim. There needs to be an intention right behind why. Um, obviously, every experience is gonna be different, so you can't go into it saying, Well, I want to do it for this reason because that's what's gonna happen. You have no idea what's gonna actually happen. But, you know, you want to intentionally go into it with a good mind.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

Mm-hmm. Yes, because it will enhance anything that you're feeling. Any herbal medicine really is there to enhance so that you can feel more, you know, especially even with cannabis. I've had um some psychedelic like experiences with cannabis because it was it was during the intentional meditation. Um and I was able to like really shift my subconscious into like a whole nother realm. But anyway. But um that's what I feel like those medicines are there for, is there for us to, like you said, set our intentions and know what it is that we really want to get out of the medicine instead of just going in it blindsided and we're just like, I want to get high. It's like, yeah, that's cool. It's cool to have fun, but I would never suggest you take mushrooms and go to a concert. I don't know about it.

SPEAKER_09 44:26

Oh God. I don't know how people do it. I don't know how they do it.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

Like, no, don't do that. Why would you do that? No.

SPEAKER_05 44:34

I heard a story from a friend um today, actually, when I told him that you were coming on. Um, he said that the person who kind of uh figured out the whole the whole mushroom case, like the second time that he took it, because the experience was so wild, he said he wanted to up the ante a little bit, and he rode his bicycle after after he took some. And I was just like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 44:56

It's so fun. It's so fun.

SPEAKER_05 45:01

When I think about riding the bike, you got your whole body moving, and then this crazy thing that really nothing else can do this at a s at a certain speed, you're looking forward, but things are passing by you on the side, and your whole body's moving at the same time. That seems like way too much to be going on.

SPEAKER_02 45:18

Yeah, I would doubt that would be for an experience for sure. I would never but like if you micro dose, that's why I said microdosing is so because it's just enough for you to feel it in a background to where it can boost your mood, it can boost mental clarity, it can boost you know, just a good little happy feeling.

SPEAKER_07 45:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

Um, it's almost like giving you, you know, microdose to edible or something like that. Yeah, I always compare mushrooms in marijuana because like can't in cannabis because they do have similar um effects to one another. Like you get highs on mushrooms, of course. So um, yeah, just yeah, I I have an e-bike and I take it.

SPEAKER_09 45:58

I was gonna say, I don't know if I could pedal a bike physically. So I'd have to have some sort of electronic.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

Oh my god, I was about to run over some of the trigger.

SPEAKER_05 46:14

Get your children out the lake.

SPEAKER_04 46:21

Oh my god. Get your children out of the way.

SPEAKER_09 46:34

Are you are you one of those people that will also ride with like your legs straight out to really force those people to move out of the way?

SPEAKER_05 46:46

Come on the e-bike, too. Now you know you have to pedal, you can just stay out there and hold it. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_09 46:52

Oh, dude, now you're breaking equipment. No mushrooms necessarily. Nothing on you at all.

SPEAKER_05 46:59

That's why when I partake, I want I uh my intentions are very clear. I want it to be an incredible journey. Uh I'm I'm ready for the good, the bad, whatever comes up, and then I want to be ready to uh uh uh attack those things that come up, or to just relax in those things. That's why the one guarantee that I have is I want to be guided through it. I am not going to do this by myself. I want somebody there that can care for me and my uh I'm a big, so I'm a big boy. I'm a I'm physically a large mass that moves through earth, right? I'm a large mass. There's not too much stuff I need to worry about on a regular everyday basis, but I know this was gonna make me very uh what's the what's the word? Uh vulnerable. Super extremely vulnerable is what I'm hearing from everyone. And so I want somebody to care for me like a little baby.

SPEAKER_04 48:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:01

There's somebody to be there for me.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

Very much so. Yeah, yeah, that's what I use. I do trips. I actually just tripsed it for a friend recently. Tripsity. Is that on is there an app for that?

SPEAKER_04 48:11

Like that's there an app.com. You got babysitters, but not the trips.

SPEAKER_09 48:22

You you may have just come up with something unknowingly. And someone who will never listen to this show is not gonna hear it and create it.

SPEAKER_02 48:30

Exactly. We need to actually be on it, like for real.

SPEAKER_09 48:34

Trips. There you go. Put that into your next business. We're we're getting into your grant requests. I also need to develop an app for this.

SPEAKER_02 48:43

They're gonna be like, she's a genius. A thousand.

SPEAKER_09 48:49

That sounds awesome. But on that note, um, we're gonna actually take a quick pause and then we're gonna come back to this because I love where it's going. But we have got to take a quick break for that word from our sponsors.

SPEAKER_05 49:04

We'll be right back.

SPEAKER_09 49:08

We'll be right back. And of course, as with every episode, we always want to make sure we thank our relationship sponsors for everything they are provided for this season. And within that, what we've been doing each episode is a little trivia question that is a giveaway at the end. So one of our listeners will have the chance to win some fine products as well. You're gonna be going home with stuff. So, on behalf of the podcast and our flower provider for the show, the Ghostface Gorilla, you're gonna be getting a complimentary pre-roll, as well as some non-flavored powdered drink additives from our friends at Hey Binks. Little five milligram packets. Just dump it in, stir it in, good to go. Um, but with the trivia question, one of our guests will also get a pre-roll if they if they win. So I'm gonna ask you a question. It relates to either the artist or the album in some way. You don't really need to know the correct answer. But you can try to answer it. We'll give the correct answer, win the episode post during the week at some point. We'll put out a post on all of our socials. That's the announcement of hey, find the find the question in the episode of the week. First person to DM us the correct answer will get themselves approval. So with that, Mrs. Olivan made her national TV debut at age 11 on what TV competition show.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

I don't know, this is gonna sound crazy, but I feel like a lot of black people go with it. Oh yeah, showtime. Showtime.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

I think this is air by a little email.

SPEAKER_09 52:26

Now I'm assuming this was the reboot version if she would have been on it. Yeah. Um yeah, made her debut on Showtime. Now I didn't look up if she won or not. Because that seems to be the trend, right? The artists that never win are the ones that actually have legitimate careers after that.

SPEAKER_04 52:41

Exactly. That's motivation.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

Especially on American Idol, it's like they give more funny minutes by not getting signs.

SPEAKER_05 52:51

Yep. Losing is the greatest teacher.

SPEAKER_09 52:55

Honestly, actually, and I don't go into this too far because we gotta keep going with what we're supposed to be doing, but a lot of it is because you're not contractually obligated if you lose. So the people that win, you end up becoming sort of that victim to the industry of now you're under contract. Now you have to do what you won for, what the labels want you to do. Um, whereas some of the most successful artists off of those types of shows, like look at Chris Daughtry, didn't even break the top 10. Yeah, but then had the freedom to do what he wanted after that, and labels came to him saying, We want you for who you are, not what you were on that show. Yeah, that's awesome. And so you can end up probably doing better just because you don't have those same restrictions that the shows can put on you when you win.

SPEAKER_02 53:44

They want you to be made in their image, right?

SPEAKER_09 53:47

Or like with America's Got Talent, they go on a tour for that show when you win. Like the top ten do the tour. And so, for like the next year of your life, you're just obligated to that, and you don't get to be your own like free artist in a way. So, little tidbit of information because I used to look stuff like that up when I was bored.

SPEAKER_05 54:07

Had no idea. I thought they were just out there. All of a sudden they had a strike of genius, and everything that they came out with after that was just all there.

SPEAKER_09 54:17

Nope. It's it's I think some people honestly use it as that platform to just kind of get your face in that 15 minutes of fame to show what you can do and then just wait for the offers to come afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

Yeah, that's what I would do. I think that's very strategic. I'd be like, all right, I'm good. Thanks for the 15 minutes of fame.

SPEAKER_09 54:37

You want you want to make sure in most of those scenarios, you want to make sure you get towards the like the top 10 or between top 10 to 5, but you don't want to actually you'll end up making like sure the million sounds good, but you'll actually end up probably doing better and and being better off without it. But that's just one man's opinion.

SPEAKER_05 55:00

There's something just incredible about being able to make your own moves and be how about this? Just be yourself and not have to do what somebody else tells you to do that. There's something about that.

SPEAKER_02 55:12

Especially in the entertainment industry because they will literally take you and take your soul.

SPEAKER_05 55:20

Yeah, nothing left.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

Have you seen sinners? Yep.

SPEAKER_05 55:24

I live with a woman that loves to sing, uh, loves um loves black films, and loves like Western Soul and anything that has to do with musicals. So, yes, we have seen it. And I'm terrified. Listen, one of my unrealistic fears in life, uh when I was a young boy, when I was a young man, I thought I was gonna have to deal with vampires a lot more in real life. Still to this day, I got a I got a slight natural fear of vampires. Incredible movie. Incredible movie.

SPEAKER_09 56:01

There's so many great memes that go around though online to that same point. Like when we were growing up and the things we saw on TV or in commercials, and you're like, they're always like, I thought I was gonna have a real problem with this in life, by the way. Like everyone portrayed it. And guess what? It's never happened.

SPEAKER_05 56:19

Blade, Blade uh had me fooled. I thought I thought I was gonna have to have a time with some vampires with them.

SPEAKER_04 56:29

I was like, man, this meat look good too, boy. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_09 56:38

Our generation had a sick obsession with like sexy vampires for some reason. And I don't get it. I never got into Twilight and stuff like that. Because I just didn't get it. I'm like, why are we so obsessed with the ugliest people, but they're vampires?

SPEAKER_00 56:53

The people literally want to eat you, really.

SPEAKER_09 56:56

They worked it. They worked interview with the vampire. Oh, but see, that's a classic. That's a classic. That started it before it was even gonna become a thing.

SPEAKER_00 57:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:08

That's true.

SPEAKER_09 57:09

I've a I haven't watched that movie a long time. Okay. Question because we don't ask enough people this, but we talk about stupid shit we like to watch when we're under the influence.

SPEAKER_07 57:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 57:20

Favorite kinds of movies to watch when you're tripping.

SPEAKER_02 57:24

When I'm tripping. Oh man, I'm a nerd. Okay, okay. I'm a nerd, so I like to watch documentaries and things I'm gonna learn from. I'm so weird.

SPEAKER_09 57:34

Because you're like laser focused.

SPEAKER_02 57:37

I like watching documentaries, or really when I'm tripping though, I really love music. Like because you feel everything.

SPEAKER_05 57:45

Everything is you can smell the notes.

SPEAKER_09 57:50

Even just from uh from a hemp and cannabis standpoint, obviously I love listening to music, but it's one of my favorite things to do when you're in certain states of mind to just put certain styles of music on. We we have a couple that like we bought solely for that reason. Like, I have a Dalai Lama album where he's just chanting the whole time. And I I'll we tell this story too often, but BJ had the best experience that night I've I've ever witnessed someone right there on the floor.

SPEAKER_05 58:21

I was on the floor, I was being sucked into another rail through the floor, listening to the Dalai Lama just give us direction and praise and blessing. I don't know what the hell he was saying, but it was it was giving it, it was giving me life. No, it was the end of the night right where you're sitting right here. And it was the best sleep I've ever had in my life.

SPEAKER_09 58:41

By the end of the night, because it was the two of us and our our two wives, so by the end of the night, we were all for just like completely laying in awkward positions on the couch, spread out, like diagonally and sewn out, listening. Like is it almost in a trance-like state? Yeah, it's very much so. Freaky at first, but then we just let it go, and we were like, this is great. And then I have another album that I gotta play you sometime. I got for I think it was last year's Christmas, not this last Christmas the year before and it's Buddhist renditions of Metallica Songs.

SPEAKER_06 59:17

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_09 59:18

Sounds weird, sounds AIs, but it's so good the way they composed the music to these renditions, and if you're spacing out, it's another one where you just kind of get lost in all the hidden sounds, like you hear everything. There's so many levels to the music. My wife and I listened to it together, and we were just in that high where we were dissecting everything, like live in moment of what we were hearing, and we were finding like other songs within the songs, like different like hip hop beats within the songs. So we're like, did they just sample like Missy Elliott in this bonus Metallica song? Like, we were just hearing shit.

unknown 59:58

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_09 59:59

But it was a great time.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:01

I need that, I need that in my life, actually.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:03

I will play it for you anytime you want to come vibe listen to it. But see, when I'm buying stuff, like I look at it in two different ways. There's the stuff that I want because it's the music I grew up with and I love and it's my favorite artist. But then there's like the how would that sound when I'm baked? Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna grab that and find out.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:24

Yeah, it's a different experience. Like when you feel music and you feel because I mean, sound affects us on a cellular level. Like, literally, it affects us, it affects our emotions, how we feel. And I it's so much power in music, and I feel like we should definitely be more intentional with the sound that we have to our bodies, just like we should be intentional with pretty much anything, anything, but especially with music, because music is power. And if we listen to certain things over and over and over again, we affirm certain things in our mind. So that's why I'm like, yeah, when I'm when I'm intoxicated, I already know. Like, I'm like that. I like to listen to like meditation music. I knew sound healing, so I'm like, I'm into instruments. I'm just gonna pop some of my stuff, but you should have.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:13

Actually, you should've. It's hard to choose, I know.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:18

I'm not trying to stay with your bad.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:21

We would not have stopped you, not to tall. Yeah, next time.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:26

Yes, very much so. Very, very much so. I like putting that's that's one of my one of my jobs. I like putting people in trances.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:35

I love being put in trances. And that brings me to an interesting point that I thought of a while back when I was first exploring your stuff. And I might get the exact verbiage wrong, but one of the videos I watched, you were actually talking about um getting high without getting high, right? Like feeling feeling that euphoria without actually consuming anything. And it was probably one of my favorite things I actually watched that day because I love that so much. And if you've ever anyone that has ever like gotten that kind of feeling just from something ordinary without consuming anything, it's honestly sometimes better than the other one. Yeah, it is. Um, and I wish I had re I had watched that video again before today. Um, but it's been a week and I forgot. But I knew that was one of the points I wanted to bring up with you because I was like, that's such a great topic to bring into any kind of whether it be a podcast or YouTube channel, whatever. Because we talk so heavily about the tripping, the psychedelia, the you know, the the euphoria because of the product, yeah, but not how we can achieve that in life without it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:53

Yeah. Um, it's it's so possible. I mean, everything that we take and we consume is just activating something that's already within us. So it's not necessarily that we need the product, it's just that we use those things as tools. And um, one way that we can definitely tap into like that high is through our breath. Um because it's just once you breathe and you understand how to truly breathe, then you can um, you know, it starts to affect like you on a cellular level, it starts to affect your mind and you can't reach. Like there, when I was in Thailand, there was a guy there who taught people how to do a DMT breathe breathing with um you just like ice bath and like you would get an ice bath, and then you would do like breath work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's intense, but you go into a trance, like you have a psychedelic experience as if you took something, but you didn't take anything.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:47

You're just that cold.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

It like shocks, like literally shocks the body.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:54

It does. I I hear so many good things about it, and I just can't bring myself to do it. You gotta do it a nice bath.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:59

You gotta do it. Do it and sensory deprivation too. I used to work in accessory deprivation.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:05

Yeah, okay. What haven't you done at this point?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:15

Well, I'm I live at the lake. I live up in Lake Norma, so we're gonna have to get you in the show. We're gonna get you in the oh gosh, like a freaking shark. Like a big old shark. Yeah, yeah, I got you. And I got the floaties in the life.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:30

I need to learn.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:33

Speaking of um like euphoric without uh having any types of um, you know, herbal medicine or or whatnot. I remember uh back when I was in the army, back in the old days. I was about his size back then. Uh if you could believe it, I've seen the pictures, so it is true. I was like his size, and I love to run. I used to run even all the way over here from where I lived in in a route that I used to do. And there was this one hill where you have to focus on your breathing over here in the neighborhood beside you. And one time I was running and I was I was like, oh my gosh, I never did drugs. Thank, thank God, even in the hood that I grew up in and all the crazy stuff that I've gone through in my life, my life, I never did any type of drugs whatsoever growing up. And then once I got in the army, I obviously couldn't do any. But I'm dizzy. I feel I was like, is this what high feels like? And then I found out that through proper breathing techniques at a certain heart rate level for a specific amount of time, you can get what's called a runner's high. And it is absolutely a high. And let's just check it for like the next two or three months, I was trying to figure out what I need to do to get back to that. I need to taste that one more time. I just couldn't, and I couldn't figure it out. So then I stopped trying and Then um and then I found out a little bit later on, it's called a runner's fine, you gotta have a certain heartbeat and blah blah blah. But it was like I once it happened, I kind of knew I needed to stick at the same speed that I was going and breathing the same way that I was breathing. And it lasted for like five minutes, and then I just stopped. And I was like, what is going on? I felt I felt high. And no, nothing. I was like, I didn't all I had was water, not even any soda or caffeine or anything. I was looking for that as much as I possibly could for like the next two or three months.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:36

Have you ever fast?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:38

Fast?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:43

That don't mean nothing.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:45

I am fastly looking for my next meal.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:48

I was gonna start trying to make a joke of there somewhere too. Like, how fast can I fit this in my mouth? No, no fast, man. Never, never tried that. BJ doesn't do anything fast.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:08

No, I've not I've not tried fasting.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:10

Okay, fasting high. When you fast for a certain amount of time, you literally feel like you're floating on a different, I don't know, realm.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:20

Like yeah, it's and that's the feeling I love. Like, especially when it comes unexpectedly, because you're not doing anything. Yeah, and so you don't even realize it's gonna happen, and then you get to that level, and it's indescribable.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:36

An unexpected high is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:40

Some of the best ones I've ever had, and I'll be as PG as I can with this, even though this show is nowhere near PG. Yeah, but like if you've ever orgasmed to the point where you literally feel like you left the dimension and you're in a whole nother universe. Um when you experience that again, you're like, hey, how can I make this happen every fucking time? Every time. But like, yeah, you just you know what you're doing, and then somehow you're like, I don't know where I am right now. Like the come down off of that is so amazing.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:14

And what I'm finding is it always has to do with some capacity with the breathing, yes, with the with the the intensity of the breathing or the method of the breathing.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:25

Yeah, yeah, and it makes sense you say it with sex too, because like you know, sex is our natural state of like ecstasy, right? It's just who we naturally are. We come from sex, we are sex, everything is sex. So, like when we're in that natural state or that natural form, we just activate certain things within our chakras.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:44

So once once you know, things are in alignment the planets, the sun, the orbits, the stars, everything is aligning.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:57

Now I know we're talking about without the medicine.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:00

I also do it with.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:02

Okay, okay. I was gonna say, have you ever experienced like with mushrooms? Oh my gosh, I can imagine. You will never want to have sex ever again. Oh now mushrooms.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:15

So not with mushrooms, because again, I haven't tried mushrooms in general yet, but I am currently going through different cannabis strains, finding which ones get that best feeling, and that's a fun experiment. Because there are certain ones, and everyone's different. So there are certain nights where I might feel that way, but the my wife doesn't, or I'll I'll talk about it with BJ and be like, hey, because we we shared the same one that night or something. Hey, did you get that feeling tonight? No, I don't know I just wanted to go to sleep. I was like, I was rabid as a beast. But again, there's more with microdosing and not going too far, but there are strains that are definitely I would put high in the aphrodisiac column, and I can't even explain why because it's not in the profile itself, so it's how it's reacting with my body somehow.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:10

Right.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:11

And it's not all of them, it's certain ones. And even the ones that do give you that feeling, it's different feelings within that, and you're just like, I don't, I can't explain it, but I love it. Yeah, yeah, and at the end, again, you're you're just like, I don't want to do this the other way anymore. Like, forget that old one. This is amazing. Not only will it increase, in my opinion, it increases stamina and endurance, but then also like the euphoria of the buildup at the end, you're just like yes, you feel you're connected to the feeling so much more, like it's so much more intense. You feel everything, yes, in your entire body, you like you feel everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:55

So I can only imagine with mushrooms.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:57

Yo my god, if you're not even I have you have an orgasm without orgasms, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:03

I learned I I learned through great mentors, I learned because especially as men is something that we need to learn, especially if we want to provide the most and the best pleasure for uh for our wives, we need to learn how to be able to do that. And once I figured it out, I was like, oh yeah, yeah, that's freaking amazing, yeah, and it's completely possible, but it does take focus um and concentration, yeah, yeah, and tension, yeah, and do it very much so. So that that's the way it feels with the with the um with the mushrooms, yes, yes, it feels like you're having sex in the astral realm, like not even on this planet.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

That's what like a consistent like imagine an orgasm if it was consistent, like it wasn't just for that moment, it was just see, we'll never know what that's like because it's always just an instant.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:00

We don't have that privilege. Mushrooms place later, bring the mushrooms up and click on the. We do, it just takes a lot more practice and efforts and a mental capacity I don't usually have in that moment.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:18

Well, I think mushrooms just work this way onto my calendar fairly quick. Fairly soon. Let's go ahead and plug that into the calendar real quick. Next week. Yep, next week sounds good.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:30

I'd like to give a funny anecdote at your expense because it just happened. So last weekend at the recording we had, VJ mentioned we uh we had we shared some product. Yeah, well, we had some gifted to us, so you know, he went home and I kept some here and whatever. And before he left, the goal was to go home, smoke, and then tell his wife he wanted to have sex. Yeah, yeah, that's the no, that was the plan.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:57

It was like boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:58

So I texted him the next day to ask how the evening went. I know how my evening went. We had some, we actually had some guests staying with us, so we just cut up and had fun all night. Um, his his answer was, well, I can read it verbatim. I was saying, I can pull it up fast too if you want to read the verbatim text. It was the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:23

My official review White Truffle is officially my new party, my new party screen. I spent an hour last night dancing to Jersey Club music while my wife cleaned our entire bedroom enthusiastically, 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:38

That was the night. He danced to Jersey Shore music and she cleaned the room.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:45

And we had an amazing night.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:47

That's what Tony enthusiastically, though. Enthusiastically.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:52

She wasn't excited about cleaning the she got like listen, so I'm a I'm an old drill sergeant, right? So we clean, we take everything off. And we clean everything. No, everything else.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:03

Ironically enough, if you know BJ, he takes everything off.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:07

You gotta take everything off the shelf and clean it. Well, she never does that. We'll just uh but our house is clean. She took everything off of everything and cleaned everything on everything and took everything off of those every little things and cleaned every little bit of everything. And I've never seen that before. And I was, and she was excited about it. I was like, all right, what trouble it is, baby? Let's meanwhile, he's just dancing. I'm dancing. And then I felt so bad in the morning because I was like, I didn't touch a thing, I didn't touch a thing in this room, and it is so clean. And she was like, Don't you worry, like I felt joy doing that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:43

She's like, You did exactly what you need.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:46

Dance.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:46

Oh my gosh. For two hours. My God.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:53

That's my most favorite thing to do, is just be high and dance. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:58

That and honestly, all jokes aside, I love getting high with the intention of like doing something like cleaning to get that motivation to like, A, it's so much more fun, but B with the right strain again. You're just you're focused on that task and you just kind of crank it out the best you've ever done it. And like, I don't take shit off when I clean either.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:20

Clean around it, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:15:21

But you get in that mindset where you're just like, I gotta do everything. And then at the end, you're actually thrilled that it happened. Because you're like, this place is so nice. And I did this. Sometimes you just need that little extra push to like really deep dive into the chore you have to do that you don't want to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:46

Have y'all had any products with THCV in it?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:49

Yes, it's weird or wrong.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:51

Wheat or wrong? So focus.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:55

It's also an appetite suppressant. Which is how I first learned about it. Because I saw it listed on a product and I was like, okay, we're just adding letters to THC now. Because there's so many, and then I saw it. I was like, well, what the fuck is this?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:09

Central hydrocannable barrel.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:12

There you go. There we are.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:15

I know we like so much. Perfect. I know her.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:22

So the sad part is we're we're getting close to time. The good news is you are fantastic about segueing yourself into things I want to ask you without even knowing it. One of the things we've really been focusing on this season is obviously the headband and using our platform to just talk about that openly with all of our guests as sort of a little testimonial as well as to why it's important, why we need to work to what we're calling protect the plant, why we need to extend, you know, because the band's not technically in place yet until November, you know, why we need to push to extend that or work around it. Like, what does the plant overall mean to you? Is really the question. Um, and then you know, we'll probably use that for promotional stuff, but really we want to get everyone's take on why it's so important. This is how we're continuing to break that stigma.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:20

Right. Well, for me, I've been working in the cannabis industry for about five years now. Well, actually a little bit longer than if I count what I'm doing prior to the case.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:29

If you count the photo, yeah, and all the amateur hours in your bedroom clock.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:35

Right. Like, okay, now I'm like, oh, calculation.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:40

But I've I've been, you know, just connecting with the plant for so long now. I remember my first time getting hive. And since I've been working in the industry, I've connected with it in a different way to where I actually understand it now. And like I was saying earlier, once you understand something, you you gain a different type of connection with it because now you get to actually learn about it and how it benefits you. And since I've been in the cannabis industry, I work with people every day who have something going on, whether it be trouble sleeping, whether it be pain, whether it be they have cancer, and I see how people can start off coming in. They could be a new customer and they come in there and they're dealing with something, and they they look so sad and they look so drained and they look so tired. But let them come in there for a few weeks and they and they come in there probably a month later and they'll be the happiest person. Like, and they they thank us all the time of how much you know cannabis has really helped them and helped shift their lives, it helped them sleep better, it helped them with pain that they've been dealing with that medicine cannot help them with. And a lot of people too, to shoot down, but also not to shoot down, uh, you know, hospitals, doctors are failing a lot of people. And that's just the truth behind it. You know, medicine is expensive, and people can't afford their lives, let alone uh, you know, some high prescription medicine that's going to leave them with some type of other ailment. And the end of the day, let's just go ahead and be honest about it. But with cannabis, it's more holistic. So you don't have these side effects, you don't have these, you know, things that are gonna give you something that you're gonna have to take another pill for later on in life, you know, for so it's just so beneficial. So with the hemp band being a place, it is definitely something that's affecting my job, it's affecting me as a person. Um, and I think it's also giving us an opportunity to know to come together because so many people use cannabis. And even people who may have, you know, you know, been like said something negative about it, who didn't smoke it back in the day, who just like, oh, the devil's lattice, you know, stuff like that. Now they're like, no, this is actually very future for me, and I use it to, you know, so I see I see it all the time. I even have old police men who, you know, used to be in a police field come in there now, and they're like, I used to, you know, uh pull people and arrest people for this. Now I take it and it's amazing for me. And I'm just like, oh my gosh, look at this. This is so great. I love how beneficial cannabis really is for people. And I think once we actually come together and really stand on, you know, business when it comes to it, it's gonna, it's gonna shine a whole different light of us as a community, for one thing, of us as a people and how we really can stand together and say no to bullshit at the end of the day, because that's what it is. You know, there shouldn't be people telling us what we can and can't do, because like, who are you? I don't get it. I I don't know who you are. You're telling me how I can live my life. Um, it's just something that I I I don't think we should stand for it anymore. So um that's my thoughts on the hemp band. Hopefully, it really does shift and we can extend or do whatever because it it also just doesn't make sense. Like it makes sense. None at all.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:02

It doesn't it doesn't unless you think through what how could this make sense? And the ways that it could make sense is that big farmers putting money in people's pockets that can't live without it, yeah, right? They can't live without those hundreds of thousands of dollars for their their um for them to be able to live on because they're getting it, or because they're um they're when they're when they're uh running for office, that money's being put into advertisements and that they wouldn't be able to get from other other people. Um those are the only reasons why I can come up with um that that you would be so adamant about people in your own community who are seeing incredible benefits from it and saying uh you want to represent us but not listen to what we say. That's the only way that I can see it. It's a money factor, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:03

It's always blown into it.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:05

And then there's a lot of us, there's a lot of people in this country that are really tired of seeing big organizations affecting the people that we elect to represent us and then not do what we say. A lot of people are not feeling that. And this is just a small little piece of the pie of that happening. Um, but it's it's happening way too much, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:31

People are easily bought out of their morals or just what they know is valuable. Like, and another thing too is not only big pharma, but alcohol companies. Alcohol sales have dropped tremendously since because people aren't drinking anymore. People don't need to drink, they're not, you know, they're using cannabis in something that's more than the THC drinks.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:52

Oh, we highlight this every single episode. And then we say how great they are.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:58

Just hop on board. If you're a beer maker, you just need to transition. All you gotta do is transition.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:05

Like they can't do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:09

Let's do that. We need to make that a put that on a show. Hops that for real, because that's all you gotta do. You see that your clientele are shifting. You can try to force it as much as you want to, but eventually you're gonna do, you're gonna have to deal with what your customer wants. And you just hops to hemp. There you go. And we buy it. Like we are buying it up if you got it.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:32

So hops to hemp. I'm gonna have to remember that. That's a good one. That's a little, that's a great nugget to end on right there. Hops to hemp. Get on board, lobbyists.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:45

Budweiser. Go ahead and make that Budweiser with hemp in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:50

Budweiser, you already got a name.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:52

Okay, I'll go pee in a jar and throw some weed in it and let you drink it because that would be Budweiser. Sounds good to me. The hops to hemp. Sounds good. I don't want their name on shh.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:02

They literally have the name already. Budweiser. Such an easy transition. Marketing check done. Would you wear a Budweiser hat with like a weekly? I would not.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:20

I would not waste my money to that conversation.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:22

I would.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:23

And they transitioned with us, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:24

They transitioned with us.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:26

Speaking of transitioning, we've got to wrap up the episode. Because we're very close to at time.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:34

But our guests are.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:35

But before we sign off, honestly, this was probably one of the fastest conversations. So thank you for bringing everything you have brought to this show. Um, but before we sign off, let's let everyone know where they can find anything and everything that you are doing so they can follow along.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:56

Okay, yeah. Uh you can follow me on if you want to follow me on Instagram, you can follow me at leave room to shroom. Just one thing, leave room to hair. Um, and if you want to check out my website, I have some products on there, my coloring books, uh also wrap jewelry, make dreamcatchers, and I also give tarot reading readings as well. So you can find me at nurtured harmonywellness.com. Nurtured harmonywellness.com.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:23

And the YouTube?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:24

Oh yes, and my YouTube, of course. I have so many things.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:28

This is why I ask important questions and write it all down so where our guests forget I can So uh I actually have two YouTube channels.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:36

You can find me uh at Leave Room to Shroom, same thing as my Instagram, same handle. Or you can find me at uh Nature Led Divination, that is my reading channel. And on my Leave Room to Shroom Shroom YouTube, that is where I do my podcasts. Um we I will be doing more interviews soon because after this, I'm like more encouraged now.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:57

So yeah, that's my information.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:59

Perfect. And anything that you would just like to say to our guests one last time.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:05

Oh, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all. If you are stepping into the world of mushrooms and you want to learn more, definitely follow me. And also um make sure that you're doing if you're like stepping into the world of herbal medicine, make sure you're doing it with safety and precaution and you're learning about the things that you want to try. Um, don't just listen to something and be like, I'm gonna do that. Um, just you know, be mindful and make sure that you're getting more information. Um, I also want to thank y'all. Thank you so much for inviting me here. This is amazing. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:37

Because really, you're the star of the show. You are people don't tune in to see us. Mr. Buds.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:47

Oh man, what is it? Anything you would like to say? What a freaking season. Everyone's been so wonderful. Um I'm really glad we've had everyone that we've had on so far, especially uh the last little bit where we talk about you know protecting the plant. And uh I love what you said. It's giving us an opportunity to show that we can come together. And let me tell you what happens. I want a bunch of weeheads get together. It's a beautiful thing. It's peaceful, ain't no fighting, it's nothing but love. And so um over the next couple of months, I foresee that happening. A larger group of us coming together, especially in North Carolina, um, because we love the plant, we love the plant here. There's a lot of people that say they don't like the plant, but they they really do on the on the low, they do, in a on the back porch where nobody's watching, they know what it's doing for them and their sleep and their uh peace and all those all those things. So hopefully we can um be a part of that creation of coming together and uh letting those who we elected um see that it's something that's wonderful for us. So we appreciate you coming on and getting your experiences as well. I can't wait to uh to to try those mushrooms and have that uh intercellular sex that you were talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:06

Yeah, I'm telling you, they're gonna be like oh man.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:16

Thank you, BJ, for everything you bring to this show week in and week out.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:20

I love you too. That's all you gotta do is say you love me, bro. That's all you gotta do.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:24

I think I say it enough. GPT already knows it. I think it thinks we're in a relationship, honestly.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:31

Oh, you're friends.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:33

I generate more images of you than anybody else in my life.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:37

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:38

But thank you, Tay, for being on the show. This has been a fantastic conversation. It's everything I hoped for, and at the same time, everything I could have never expected.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:48

Um, the wealth of knowledge that you bring in this realm is something we haven't had yet. So we really appreciate it. And last but not least, thank you to everybody out there across the globe that for some reason still tunes and does. Um, we always want to thank you because we wouldn't be doing well, we probably still wouldn't be doing what we're doing without you. But every Friday. You make it a little bit more worth it. So thanks for tuning into Vinally High, the podcast where the grooviest tunes turn into the craziest discussions. We hope you've enjoyed this auditory journey with us. Remember, stay tuned, stay mellow, and always keep your vinyl vibes. Until next time, keep reaching for the Sonic Sky and always stay finally high.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:33

You've been tuned in to the late night groove of the Vinally High podcast. And tonight's vibe was brought to you by Hey Binks, the official beverage additive of season four.